So I just ordered two T's from the spider shop

[saturnthegrey]

And no permits required for T's. We have no restrictions on T's here.

 

[cold blood]

Why does the shipping price not make sense? Good luck finding those two T's anywhere in the region around texas. I may as well order from the UK than from wisconsin or Minnesota.
Even with the shipping cost its still saving me near half what I would spend on one here. Both of these are hard to come by where im from. A few months ago one of the pet shops here actually had a GBB but it was a hundred dollars for a 1/2" sling while the spider shop has a 2" sling for fourteen. No matter how expensive the shipping may be, it makes alot more sense for me to look abroad rather than purchase over priced T's from here.

I couldn't possibly disagree more, with every aspect.
First off, $10 is ridiculously cheap, even from Milwaukee to Chicago, which is 90 miles I can barely get that price for 2-3 day. Secondly, those are BOTH common ts, and I guarantee there are several dealers without just a few hours of your home that have both species in abundance, neither are uncommon species in the least.

And in the dead of winter, I wouldn't order from WI or MN either, its also very cold there, like it is in the UK...both would be equally bad places to ship from if distance was the same, but if you bought from WI or MN, it would be in the mail overnight (and a smarter place to buy from by far), not a week in the cold across a huge ocean, that's an ordeal, not to mention you won't find any heat packs that last that long and they won't be in a warm climate till they are nearly in TX. That's a long time in cold weather for slings to be in, at this time of the year, I will be interested to see if they are able to survive or if they will just wait till spring to ship as they should. I cannot think of any way that these slings will be able to be kept warm for the duration of their trip. I sure hope they do make it to you though.

The cost of these two here could be under $60 for these 2 slings. Its not like you bought expensive, hard to find ts where the overseas purchase could be justified. Even the lower cost you paid still doesn't make sense....especially since both you and the seller are required to file for certain paperwork, which for $10 I can guarantee is not happening. There was a thread not too long ago (within the year) about a company in the UK that was promoting business over here, and the sentiment was that buying from them was a big time risk as the ts were being shipped with other parcels and not labeled as such or declared.

And now if you have a doa, its a several week ordeal with a company half a globe away.

To save a mere $30 isn't worth any of the risk IMO.

 

[cold blood]

And no permits required for T's. We have no restrictions on T's here.

We have no restrictions shipping WITHIN the country, abroad is a different story....heck, we can't even order from Canada without tremendous added cost, and I wish we could because tarantulascanada always has a super stock and great prices on a lot of hard to find ts here.

 

[saturnthegrey]

Im not saying they are rare T's. Im saying I've had a hard time finding them at all. Site after site, call after call this site was the only place I could find either within a decent price range.
If anyone could help I would appreciate it but i've had no luck.

 

[sdsnybny]

You know shipping outside UK is no live LAG per there site. Also you'll find the needed permits and restrictions to import to the USA (your legal responsibility) are gonna cost hundreds of dollars along with a trip through US customs.
http://www.thespidershop.co.uk/faqs/
"Q. Do you ship out of the UK?
A. We ship to other EU countries during the warmer months of the year and you can order online selecting the EU checkout option. Importing livestock is at your own risk. It is your responsibility for ensuring the legality of importing the goods into your country. Live arrival is not guaranteed. Shipping outside the EU is possible for large order shipped via Air Cargo please contact us for further information."

 

[Chris LXXIX]

Hold on, you are in Texas, and ordered 2 spiders from the UK? Why? Wouldn't you need to get import permits of some sort?

These spiders are readily available to you in Texas. Heck a 1/2" vagans sling might not even cost you $5.

I'm really scratching my head on this one...am I missing something?

$10 shipping, that doesn't even make sense IF its a legal international t shipment.

I know (i will not mention the name) a UK (England) based seller who ship international with no problems to U.S, Japan, lol even Arab Emirates like UAE etc T's, scorpions etc without issues

 

[Chris LXXIX]

Sorry for you loss, my friend, even though I cannot say to be sorry for AS Mer*a 1927 only getting a point against Hellas Verona at home!

Well, yes, i hate them, you know Just in the views of a bet... a new coach etc nothing. Those...

 

[sdsnybny]

I know (i will not mention the name) a UK (England) based seller who ship international with no problems to U.S, Japan, lol even Arab Emirates like UAE etc T's, scorpions etc without issues

Its not illegal for them to ship out but IS illegal for us to import without the proper US permits and going through the necessary hoops.
That's not to say people do/haven't done it. search brown boxing for all the drama

 

[Chris LXXIX]

Its not illegal for them to ship out but IS illegal for us to import without the proper US permits and going through the necessary hoops.
That's not to say people do/haven't done it. search brown boxing for all the drama

Yes, i know about "Brown Boxing" issue of course, man. I know about U.S rules/laws about. Just that i think there's some people that just doesn't care about.

 

[Chris LXXIX]

And no permits required for T's. We have no restrictions on T's here.

Long live Texas my man. That's a great state, the Lone Star One. I envy you. No permits or other such crap for T's (unlike here). No weapons limitations (unlike here). My hat off to Texas. Remember Alamo!

 

[sdsnybny]

Yes, i know about "Brown Boxing" issue of course, man. I know about U.S rules/laws about. Just that i think there's some people that just doesn't care about.

Very true!!. I'm not willing to risk getting my collection taken should the USFWS decide to make an example of the little guys as well as the dealers that don't comply with import laws.

 

[Chris LXXIX]

Very true!!. I'm not willing to risk getting my collection taken should the USFWS decide to make an example of the little guys as well as the dealers that don't comply with import laws.

Yes, but let me tell you this. Except for U.S (and i have little doubts about since i saw those last threads here about USPS VS FedEX "feud") i have noticed that "everything" is a "brown box". I mean... which mail authorize T's, or other venomous inverts/animals shipping? No one, i tell you. Even Royal Mail (UK) one, IMO, of the best straight mind one. Hence everything is a "brown box". I know EU sellers that state "if you want a, let's say, anonimous parcel state that on the order" etc so lol at the end.
I bet my manly parts that NO mail manager would be happy to know that there's venomous inverts inside a parcel in one of his (under control) mail hub... couriers could be another story tough, but seriously, no wants wanna.
This talking about parcels & mails and mails only not airports take off like for snakes etc

 

[Steve123]

And no permits required for T's. We have no restrictions on T's here.

Geez @saturnthegrey. Texans may have the mentality of being separate nation, but a recent check of North American maps shows Texas is indeed a state within the union. As such, Texans are subject to US federal law. After reading the above, I'm quite sure you didn't pay the $250 USFW import fee and didn't pay US customs. Thus, you are a criminal [LINK] and have just given USFW, US Customs, and one of the oldest federal law enforcement agencies in the United States, the US Postal Inspection Service, all the information they need to come knock on your door!

Nice species by the way. Oh, but that reminds me, one more thing. You also violated international CITES law by importing Brachypelma without CITES paperwork.

But seriously, Paul Becker, a dealer no less, violated all the above, multiple times, got caught and still managed to avoid jail time. So I doubt you have much to worry about. Just next time . . . think twice. And if you don't, at least consider not posting your crime on AB.

 

[Chris LXXIX]

Nice species by the way. Oh, but that reminds me, one more thing. You also violated international CITES law by importing Brachypelma without CITES paperwork.

Well, you can't know that. I mean, being 100% sure of that. All the UK and EU sellers i know, here in Italy in the authorized T's fair, possess the CITES CB papers for CITES animals/inverts (in this case, genus Brachypelma) so i doubt that a serious shop like The Spider Shop & staff aren't aware of that.
Here is night time if you have a CITES protected animal without a CITES CB paper.

 

[Steve123]

Well, you can't know that. I mean, being 100% sure of that. All the UK and EU sellers i know, here in Italy in the authorized T's fair, possess the CITES CB papers for CITES animals/inverts (in this case, genus Brachypelma) so i doubt that a serious shop like The Spider Shop & staff aren't aware of that.
Here is night time if you have a CITES protected animal without a CITES CB paper.

Fair enough Chris LXXIX. Let's ask the OP to post a photo of the CITES paperwork that accompanied the single, Brachypelma vagans sling that came overseas parcel post, sans USFW and Customs paperwork. Heck, let's ask the Spider Shop to comment. Did y'all send this spider parcel post to saturnthegrey with CITES paperwork? In your court, saturnthegrey and Spider Shop . . .

 

[saturnthegrey]

I was not aware whatsoever of any import taxes and such, yes I know i'm ignorant because i'm a "texan." I cancelled my order and I am in the process of looking for something closer (not much luck yet again).

You guys grilled me pretty badly but it was for a very good reason. My apologies, Im still new to this in many ways. Im doing my best.
I would have really loved to have those T's but for now I will most likely end up getting a Euathlus sp. Red or stick with the B. Vagans. GBB are just too pricey around here unfortunately. I just never assumed it would be that difficult but I should have read into it more.

I always try to take advice from others, you know the whole "two heads are better than one." saying. Well it is very dead on in this instance.

 

[Chris LXXIX]

I was not aware whatsoever of any import taxes and such, yes I know i'm ignorant because i'm a "texan." I cancelled my order and I am in the process of looking for something closer (not much luck yet again).

You guys grilled me pretty badly but it was for a very good reason. My apologies, Im still new to this in many ways. Im doing my best.
I would have really loved to have those T's but for now I will most likely end up getting a Euathlus sp. Red or stick with the B. Vagans. GBB are just too pricey around here unfortunately. I just never assumed it would be that difficult but I should have read into it more.

I always try to take advice from others, you know the whole "two heads are better than one." saying. Well it is very dead on in this instance.

I have not grilled you, man. I love raw human flesh u_u

 

[mistertim]

I was not aware whatsoever of any import taxes and such, yes I know i'm ignorant because i'm a "texan." I cancelled my order and I am in the process of looking for something closer (not much luck yet again).

You guys grilled me pretty badly but it was for a very good reason. My apologies, Im still new to this in many ways. Im doing my best.
I would have really loved to have those T's but for now I will most likely end up getting a Euathlus sp. Red or stick with the B. Vagans. GBB are just too pricey around here unfortunately. I just never assumed it would be that difficult but I should have read into it more.

I always try to take advice from others, you know the whole "two heads are better than one." saying. Well it is very dead on in this instance.

Try not to take it personally. Like any hobby, people can get pretty passionate about it.

There are so many good breeders here in the US that eventually one of them will have what you're looking for. Why not try posting a "Wanted" thread in the "For Sale/Trade/Want to Buy" forum? What breeders have you checked so far in the US?

 

[saturnthegrey]

Chris you've been nothing but helpful since I joined the site, just some people seem pretty quick to jump the gun you know? Everyone started off the same way, unaware of many things when it comes to T's.

 

[saturnthegrey]

I've not found any breeders, i've been going to pet shops and lots of sites. I found a B. Vagans on jrsinverts but no luck with the greenbottle unfortunately :/