Sick avic? Death curl some blood

[Ultum4Spiderz]

she Had refused to eat in the last 6 months , I’ve tried crickets , superworms , dubia .-
How do you seal a Minor injury? Corn starch or something?

 

[Mirandarachnid]

I can't see an injury, where is it?

Why do you have it on soaked paper towels? If it needs water give it water...

Pic of setup?

 

[Ultum4Spiderz]

I can't see an injury, where is it?

Why do you have it on soaked paper towels? If it needs water give it water...

Pic of setup?

It was in death curl so I removed it , one of back legs had blood on the joint in suprized she didn’t dislocate the leg .
Refused food for ages has two water dishes . I have a few pokies that are skinny and won’t eat crickets or dubias or or pre killed food.
Flies were swarming the avic ! I got her out of there’.
I need buffalo worms or whatever kills and eats fly larvae soon.

 

[Mirandarachnid]

It was in death curl so I removed it , one of back legs had blood on the joint in suprized she didn’t dislocate the leg .
Refused food for ages has two water dishes .

Granted, I don't own this sp. but I think you're doing more harm than good by having it in a pile of soaked paper towels. If it's in a curl and you suspect dehydration, it's more effective to lay the T on it's back and put a drop of water on it's mouth.

If the leg is a problem the T will remove it on it's own. If you insist on applying something to it, cornstarch is the least likely to cause problems down the road DO NOT USE GLUE.

A picture of the enclosure will help people figure out what is going wrong. Spiders kept improperly do not thrive.

 

[EtienneN]

If we can see the enclosure she was in previously that could help determine what might have caused the injury. ICUs are death traps, just put a normal water dish in with it and be sure it has tonnes of ventilation.

 

[Ultum4Spiderz]

Granted, I don't own this sp. but I think you're doing more harm than good by having it in a pile of soaked paper towels. If it's in a curl and you suspect dehydration, it's more effective to lay the T on it's back and put a drop of water on it's mouth.

If the leg is a problem the T will remove it on it's own. If you insist on applying something to it, cornstarch is the least likely to cause problems down the road DO NOT USE GLUE.

A picture of the enclosure will help people figure out what is going wrong. Spiders kept improperly do not thrive.

I put her in a temporary tank I fear the water dish was too sharp , I will only use applesauce container and lids to orange juice container for water dishes now . Until I can afford to buy something. It’s temporary container is too dry for avic .

 

[Mirandarachnid]

If the temporary soaked paper towel enclosure isn't ventilated extremely well, you are going to kill your spider.

I fear the water dish was too sharp

There's a reason you are supposed to have the edge of the water dish flush with the sub. Not only does it allow easier access to the spider, but it makes it much safer.

Post a picture of the full enclosure and people can tell you what else is wrong. Otherwise this thread is pointless.

 

[Ultum4Spiderz]

I can't see an injury, where is it?

Why do you have it on soaked paper towels? If it needs water give it water...

Pic of setup?

Spider seemed to be dehydrated I put cornstarch on then tiny wound , seemed to Be moving more. Do I need to mash up crickets for it to eat why won’t it eat??
Water dish that cut its leg in last pic . I no longer use these dishes not sure how it got in there !!
I might put her back in pretzel jar once I get it cleaned up.

 

[Mirandarachnid]

That does not look ideal.

What sort of lid are you using? If it is mesh, that could very well be what injured the leg.

Where did you get that wood? If it was something intended for construction or fences, it could be chemically treated. I'd throw it out. It is never a good idea to pick up something from outside and throw it in an enclosure.

The foliage should be around the high part of whatever acceptable thing you replace that wood with so that it can create a home for itself.

I'm sorry, but you really need to do more research.

 

[lostbrane]

It’s temporary container is too dry for avic .

They’re supposed to be kept dry though.

 

[EtienneN]

You can't use old lumber in tarantula enclosures. Besides being a major mould hazard it does not do anything to benefit the spider and in fact hinders it by taking up too much space that the spider doesn't want to step foot on. Tarantulas, especially arboureals, need something with crevices like cork, where it can build a nest and feel safe. With this, it cannot do this.

Also that substrate is far from ideal. Avics don't need much for one. I use a mix of 'plain jane' top soil 50/50 with coco fibre and you can use this or a choice of either of the two. The way it is now again takes up too much space the spider won't use because it's hard and rock-like.

Furthermore, this tank appears to be for a terrestrial. Arboureals need climbing space, so the height needs to exceed the width, which it doesn't here. They don't settle in well to oblong cages such as this. If you look at avic care here, you'll see that they are all kept vertically.

I agree with @Mirandarachnid that the wood could be cured with caustic chemicals that aren't good for a delicate tarantula such as an Avic. Also as she stated, there needs to be leaf cover up at the top to emulate 'life in a tree' for your A. avic, as it is one of the 'true' arboureals, meaning they are almost never seen on the ground. You need to provide branches and broad silk leaves for it to perch on and web with.

Quite honestly, the plastic water dish appears the least concerning thing in there. If it was buried under that log, I doubt your tarantula landed on it when falling, but I'd wager good money that she got caught in the wire screen top that always comes with these type of tanks and fell to the substrate, right on the leg that is injured. Good thing her abdomen didn't split open. The reason yours is climbing at the top and getting caught in the mesh is because it wants to go upwards but can't in this set-up.

Please read the threads here:
http://arachnoboards.com/threads/avicularia-care.291340/

 

[Teal]

This entire post makes zero sense. You have been on these boards for how long and make a post like this? Why are you trying to kill your spider? The water dish is NOT responsible for this mess.

It is never a good idea to pick up something from outside and throw it in an enclosure.

Literally all of my enclosures have naturally collected materials - wood, leaves, rocks, etc. Know where you are collecting from and it is never a bad idea to use free, natural materials.

Besides being a major mould hazard

For cripes sake. MOLD IS HARMLESS.

 

[EtienneN]

For cripes sake. MOLD IS HARMLESS.

I should have clarified; mould is a hazard on this type of wood which will rot, if nothing else. I didn't mean to imply the mould would kill or injure the spider.

 

[Liquifin]

It is never a good idea to pick up something from outside and throw it in an enclosure.

Way to oversimplified and not really true if it's cleaned well or sourced well. I use leaf litter, driftwood, and clay from the outdoors for enclosures sometimes and I have never seen situations of anything going really bad. Just know where you're getting the stuff with a bit of rinsing or cleaning and nothing to worry about.

You can't use old lumber in tarantula enclosures.

True indeed, lumber will mold for sure, but driftwood and cork won't mold and is the better options.

Furthermore, this tank appears to be for a terrestrial. Arboureals need climbing space, so the height needs to exceed the width, which it doesn't here. They don't settle in well to oblong cages such as this. If you look at avic care here, you'll see that they are all kept vertically.

I actually agree and disagree with this comment, while I do agree that a 10 gallon or whatever aquarium enclosure being used normally isn't the best, if it's utilized correctly then it should be fine despite it not being vertical. I've seen people keep arboreals with aquarium tanks not vertical and do very well. If it's utilized well then it could work, I've cared for avics before in aquarium tanks (not vertical) and they did well. Aquarium tanks have a fair amount of height despite it being horizontal or vertical, it just have to be used right. Which that enclosure in the picture is not utilized very well for it.

 

[Teal]

I should have clarified; mould is a hazard on this type of wood which will rot, if nothing else. I didn't mean to imply the mould would kill or injure the spider.

A hazard to the wood, sure lol

if it's cleaned well

Incorrect. Cleaning/sterilizing is exactly HOW you get mold because you have created a blank slate ripe for the taking over.

I actually agree and disagree with this comment, while I do agree that a 10 gallon or whatever aquarium enclosure being used normally isn't the best, if it's utilized correctly then it should be fine despite it not being vertical. I've seen people keep arboreals with aquarium tanks not vertical and do very well. If it's utilized well then it could work, I've cared for avics before in aquarium tanks (not vertical) and they did well. Aquarium tanks have a fair amount of height despite it being horizontal or vertical, it just have to be used right. Which that enclosure in the picture is not utilized very well for it.

I agree with ya here. The orientation of the enclosure matters less than the interior decorating. Avics just need a hide and foliage at the top of their enclosure. I wouldn't put one in a flat tupperware like a terrestrial... but any standard enclosure can be made to work just fine.

 

[Mirandarachnid]

Way to oversimplified and not really true if it's cleaned well or sourced well.

True, I should have said, "...never a good idea unless you know what you are doing."

 

[Ultum4Spiderz]

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That does not look ideal.

What sort of lid are you using? If it is mesh, that could very well be what injured the leg.

Where did you get that wood? If it was something intended for construction or fences, it could be chemically treated. I'd throw it out. It is never a good idea to pick up something from outside and throw it in an enclosure.

The foliage should be around the high part of whatever acceptable thing you replace that wood with so that it can create a home for itself.

I'm sorry, but you really need to do more research.

It’s not fence wood it’s a cured log , been cooked and nosed off , I’m re preparing Her pretzel jar it’s smaller and aboreal . This tank she’s been in for 2 days that’s badly made for aboreals oops.

What wood do you suggest ? Or alternatives for wood that are safe from chemicals???
It was a holding tank for a day or two to see if it would eat some food . Its originally container had mold from dying roaches in bottom.

 

[draconisj4]

What wood do you suggest ? Or alternatives for wood that are safe from chemicals???
It was a holding tank for a day or two to see if it would eat some food . Its originally container had mold from dying roaches in bottom.

Cork bark or driftwood is fine.

Why on earth were dying and dead feeders left in its enclosure long enough to get moldy? Sounds like you need to seriously rethink your husbandry.

 

[Teal]

Why on earth were dying and dead feeders left in its enclosure long enough to get moldy?

I mean, this could be considered unsightly to some... but it still isn't harmful to the T. I have had feeders die in highly inaccessible spaces of enclosures and grow some lovely stuff haha

 

[draconisj4]

I mean, this could be considered unsightly to some... but it still isn't harmful to the T. I have had feeders die in highly inaccessible spaces of enclosures and grow some lovely stuff haha

I agree that happens occasionally and that it's usually not that big a deal but this was an avic enclosure. Uneaten feeders should have been easy to remove if it was set up properly. I could understand if it was a major pet hole and a feeder died in the burrow. I've had feeders die in baboon burrows with me thinking that the T ate and a week later the T has tossed out the dead feeder and it's still not moldy because the enclosure isn't moist. Makes me wonder how many dead and dying feeders were in OPs enclosure.