Separation of tarantulas after molting on L1

[SkyKuba88]

Hello, I am concerned about the separation of young tarantulas that have molted on the L1 stage. Do you separate them immediately after molting? So far, I have separated Avicularia Metallica immediately after switching to L1. Currently I have 2 cocoons - taken away from Harpactira Pulchripes (152 x nymphs 2) and left to the Peru Purple female. I must admit that feeding and opening each container individually is a problem. How do you do with Harpactira? Is it better to separate them or can they be left together until a certain stage?

 

[TheraMygale]

You being in poland, what does L1 stage mean to you?

is this after eggs with legs? Or how many molts after?

 

[SkyKuba88]

In Poland L1 is the stadium, when the spider stops being a nymph

 

[TheraMygale]

In Poland L1 is the stadium, when the spider stops being a nymph

thanks for clearing that out, now i know where we are starting together in this conversation.

 

[Wolfram1]

In Poland L1 is the stadium, when the spider stops being a nymph

man you guys, ... what does the "L" stand for in Poland?

 

[TheraMygale]

man you guys, ... what does the "L" stand for in Poland?

I think its when then molted from eggs with legs. Thats my understanding so far.

But i would love a humourus roast approach for L.

 

[l4nsky]

I must admit that feeding and opening each container individually is a problem.

Welcome to the world of being a tarantula breeder lol. You can group 2i slings together for awhile in a communal (aka battle royale), however you will take losses if you're unable to move them fast enough with almost any species, even if you're overfeeding. You're either going to have to deal with a loss of your time separating/feeding/watering each individually or a loss of slings and potential income (if a $20 bill eats another $20 bill, it doesn't become worth $40 lol).

 

[TheraMygale]

Welcome to the world of being a tarantula breeder lol. You can group 2i slings together for awhile in a communal (aka battle royale), however you will take losses if you're unable to move them fast enough with almost any species, even if you're overfeeding. You're either going to have to deal with a loss of your time separating/feeding/watering each individually or a loss of slings and potential income (if a $20 bill eats another $20 bill, it doesn't become worth $40 lol).

If its a Battle Royale sling, i’ll pay double the price. What it was worth, plus loss and damage.

this is my attempt of humour. But i am still serious.

besides, lets get real, they are in Poland. No way they are getting 20$ a sling. No matter how majestical they are.

 

[SkyKuba88]

I am in a hurry to explain what L1 is in Poland. The female lays a cocoon containing eggs. After some time, we have eggs with legs in the cocoon, then we have the second stage of eggs with legs (in the case of some species, even the third stage). The eggs with legs then molt into a full-fledged spider. And this is L1, each subsequent molt is L2, L3, L4, etc.

And here my question arises again regarding the separation of young spiders in the L1 stage. I apologize for the confusion with the different nomenclature of the stage - from now on I will use your nomenclature terms . I understand that the battle royale is simply leaving them together in one container and fighting for survival based on who gets to the trough first, combined with acts of cannibalism, right? So far, I have always separated the spiders into separate containers, but lately I have had a bit of them, so I am thinking about improving the feeding. But if it doesn't make sense to keep them together, I'll just separate them.

 

[Brewser]

Obviously a better chance for more specimens surviving being seperated.
That being said, Culling the Weak by "Survival of the Fittest" is Natures Way.

 

[TheraMygale]

I am in a hurry to explain what L1 is in Poland. The female lays a cocoon containing eggs. After some time, we have eggs with legs in the cocoon, then we have the second stage of eggs with legs (in the case of some species, even the third stage). The eggs with legs then molt into a full-fledged spider. And this is L1, each subsequent molt is L2, L3, L4, etc.

And here my question arises again regarding the separation of young spiders in the L1 stage. I apologize for the confusion with the different nomenclature of the stage - from now on I will use your nomenclature terms . I understand that the battle royale is simply leaving them together in one container and fighting for survival based on who gets to the trough first, combined with acts of cannibalism, right? So far, I have always separated the spiders into separate containers, but lately I have had a bit of them, so I am thinking about improving the feeding. But if it doesn't make sense to keep them together, I'll just separate them.

When they start being at a risk of eating each other, it is when they are seperated. There is no easier solution. Then they are all fed individualy.

your nomenclature is ok. We can learn things too.

eggs with legs are kept in an incubator, if not left with mother.

 

[SkyKuba88]

That's what I meant. So I won't change anything in the current way of keeping young spiders. Thank you

I have one more question. I am trying to breed Poecilotheria Rufilata, but the female has already eaten two males. First attempt to introduce the first male: they lived together in the terrarium for about 3 weeks. The male filled up in the female's terrarium, so for me it was a sign that copulation was successful. However, the female molted after 3 days (August 2024). I removed the male, gave her time, fed her well, and then reintroduced the full male. She ate him after about 2 hours of courtship.
Trying to introduce another male... she ate him after 3 days of living together in the terrarium. I decided to consult the topic with one of the largest breeders in Poland and found out that it may be due to the enclosure being too small (base 20 x 20 cm, height 40 cm).
I moved the female and her hiding place to another enclosure (30x30x30cm) and I will try to add a third male (I still have a fourth up my sleeve, but for now it's a subadult). The female is so fed that she completely ignores any attempt at feeding. Do you have any advice on this matter? I read the entire topic about breeding Rufilata here, but didn't find anything I didn't know. Any tips? Is it just patience and not giving up? I will add that this is my first attempt at propagating the Poecilotheria species. Thanks in advance for your help guys!

 

[TheraMygale]

That's what I meant. So I won't change anything in the current way of keeping young spiders. Thank you

I have one more question. I am trying to breed Poecilotheria Rufilata, but the female has already eaten two males. First attempt to introduce the first male: they lived together in the terrarium for about 3 weeks. The male filled up in the female's terrarium, so for me it was a sign that copulation was successful. However, the female molted after 3 days (August 2024). I removed the male, gave her time, fed her well, and then reintroduced the full male. She ate him after about 2 hours of courtship.
Trying to introduce another male... she ate him after 3 days of living together in the terrarium. I decided to consult the topic with one of the largest breeders in Poland and found out that it may be due to the enclosure being too small (base 20 x 20 cm, height 40 cm).
I moved the female and her hiding place to another enclosure (30x30x30cm) and I will try to add a third male (I still have a fourth up my sleeve, but for now it's a subadult). The female is so fed that she completely ignores any attempt at feeding. Do you have any advice on this matter? I read the entire topic about breeding Rufilata here, but didn't find anything I didn't know. Any tips? Is it just patience and not giving up? I will add that this is my first attempt at propagating the Poecilotheria species. Thanks in advance for your help guys!

Thats something else. I think people who have had this happen would in a better place to give advice.

I do think a bigger enclosure was the right move. Im not sure 30cmx30x30 is big enough though. Even if its for breeding. Some spiders need their height. Did you see Daves video on his pairing?

There is a breeding report section that might give you insight.

make a new thread if you don’t find answers. You will get more replies with a different title.

 

[SkyKuba88]

Thats something else. I think people who have had this happen would in a better place to give advice.

I do think a bigger enclosure was the right move. Im not sure 30cmx30x30 is big enough though. Even if its for breeding. Some spiders need their height. Did you see Daves video on his pairing?

There is a breeding report section that might give you insight.

make a new thread if you don’t find answers. You will get more replies with a different title.

Yes, I saw his video about rufilata breeding. Thanks

 

[Wolfram1]

That's what I meant. So I won't change anything in the current way of keeping young spiders. Thank you

I have one more question. I am trying to breed Poecilotheria Rufilata, but the female has already eaten two males. First attempt to introduce the first male: they lived together in the terrarium for about 3 weeks. The male filled up in the female's terrarium, so for me it was a sign that copulation was successful. However, the female molted after 3 days (August 2024). I removed the male, gave her time, fed her well, and then reintroduced the full male. She ate him after about 2 hours of courtship.
Trying to introduce another male... she ate him after 3 days of living together in the terrarium. I decided to consult the topic with one of the largest breeders in Poland and found out that it may be due to the enclosure being too small (base 20 x 20 cm, height 40 cm).
I moved the female and her hiding place to another enclosure (30x30x30cm) and I will try to add a third male (I still have a fourth up my sleeve, but for now it's a subadult). The female is so fed that she completely ignores any attempt at feeding. Do you have any advice on this matter? I read the entire topic about breeding Rufilata here, but didn't find anything I didn't know. Any tips? Is it just patience and not giving up? I will add that this is my first attempt at propagating the Poecilotheria species. Thanks in advance for your help guys!

Hard to say, most Poecilotheria breeders i have talked to just cohabit them for a while and one of my P. miranda males i recently sent on his way made it out just fine after about a month of cohabbing each with 2 different Females and has moved on to a third party.

The size might really the problem, as far as i can tell they should be fine with a male around but not necessarily inside their own burrow.

So either yours is not in the mood or she considers the entire enclosure her burrow/den, which is possible.

I am in a hurry to explain what L1 is in Poland. The female lays a cocoon containing eggs. After some time, we have eggs with legs in the cocoon, then we have the second stage of eggs with legs (in the case of some species, even the third stage). The eggs with legs then molt into a full-fledged spider. And this is L1, each subsequent molt is L2, L3, L4, etc.

I am probably too stuck in my own ways, but i chose to follow the definition of developmental stages inside the book "Biology of Spiders" by Rainer F. Foelix.

Which is Egg, Prelarva, Larva, Nympth (N1-Nn), Subadult, Adult

hence i always ask what others base their classifications on, dont worry you explaned what you ment well.

It annoys me to no end that people use such drastically different ways of describing the same thing. Here in the german speaking sphere everyone uses FH1, FH2, etc so annoying

 

[TheraMygale]

It annoys me to no end that people use such drastically different ways of describing the same thing. Here in the german speaking sphere everyone uses FH1, FH2, etc so annoying

I find it hard to follow sometimes. I am never sure if i understand properly. Even if i research online what it means in each country, i find it simpler to just ask the other person what they mean.

That way, atleast we are on same page. I don’t mind if i am percieved like someone who doesnt know. I rather ask and clarify. Then get even more confused.

The size might really the problem, as far as i can tell they should be fine with a male around but not necessarily inside their own burrow.

i really believe the size of their enclosure to be a factor for this.

 

[SkyKuba88]

It's great that despite the differences in our countries, we managed to find an agreement Don't get me wrong, I have quite a lot of experience in breeding tarantulas, but I have never had the need to breed Poecilotheria. Even the stupidest question is always an opportunity to gain new knowledge and exchange experiences Regarding the separation of H. Pulchripes, I have always separated them (like any other spider), now I have some cocoons and I was wondering how to improve my feeding work. You dissuaded me from the idea of keeping them together. As soon as they molt, I will separate them. Thank you for your help!