Sana,
I'm not sure what you mean by "same terms" but the source of truth on these matters is the International Committee on Zoological Nomenclature. No matter what country publishes research that affects the nomenclature of a species (assigning and changing scientific names assigned to a species and other taxonomic ranks), the rules must be followed to be considered valid by the scientific community. Or ideally anyway.Oh good, there is someone else who thinks it is a bit much....
My question was more if these terms were universal in terms of countries. US and the Netherlands use the same terms I think?
Nope! I don't want to take the trouble in properly formatting a scientific name on a pet forum. It's just not worth the extra keystrokes.You can if you want
This is why I put it in this particular forum.... the description of which states that it is for "scientific questions and discussions." And I mentioned that I'm writing this for those who are interested. People who don't care can simply disregard it
It's a good discussion though and I'm glad you posted this information. 
But Italians also pronounce Latin incorrectly by classical standards
Just read the name Cicero out loud. I bet you pronounce it as "chichero" or something along those lines, but the ancients did say "kikero".
NopeBut Italians also pronounce Latin incorrectly by classical standards
Ah, the "h" is just because I tried to write how it is pronounced by most Italians in English script. In Medieval Church Latin and Italian the name is pronounced with a "chi" or "tsi" sound ( [ʧiʧero] in phonetic script). The ancients Romans however, did say "kikero" ( [kikero:] )Nope
Cicero is Cicero, I read that exactly like is written my friend. Chichero is incorrect, why the "H"... and I don't say kikero as well. But probably someone from Firenze would say ".i.ero" lol, since they don't spell the "C", ah ah ah :-s
I don't know my man because the last remnant of memory I have from that era was me, a Roma (Roma SPQR I mean) citizen on my Meditteranean way home from the lands that today we call "the Middle East", with my boat full of carpets, gold, drugs, values. Then Verre ambushed us and killed without a trial everyone, but kikero exposed him and his crimes against Roma in the trial, finally. Glory to Mithras.
See, I've always pronounced it smith-eye...and to me when I hear smith-ee it sounds funny.
Hrm, odd. I've always pronounced it red k-nee.
You're my hero!Hrm, odd. I've always pronounced it red k-nee.
Really though I always used smith-ee because that was how I heard the guy say it at the pet show.
I'll stop typing E. sp. when I start writing scientific papers (read that as: never). To my knowledge, the Euathlus genus hasn't been described properly to begin with. I've heard that most of what we have, such as E. sp. "red," is actually Homeomma (however it's spelled). So if you really want to get technical, we might ALL be wrong... including you!
I'll stop typing E. sp. when I start writing scientific papers (read that as: never). To my knowledge, the Euathlus genus hasn't been described properly to begin with. I've heard that most of what we have, such as E. sp. "red," is actually Homeomma (however it's spelled). So if you really want to get technical, we might ALL be wrong... including you!
Being "wrong" in science is much more dignified than pretending to be "right"So if you really want to get technical, we might ALL be wrong... including you!
. As taxonomy is a human invention, its accuracy is completely dependent on its acceptance among the scientific community.
Euthlus is a holding place for ts that need to be properly placed in time. At one time B. smithi was a member of the genus...its really a genus in a constant state of flux.View attachment 230556
Taken from Ferretti 2015. From this phylogeny, it looks like Homoeomma spp. are actually ancestral to the Euathlus spp. This paper lists several synapomorphies within the text that accept Euathlus as a monophyletic group, which confirms its validity as an accepted genus. Now, whether or not that's what WE have in the hobby is debatable. Probably hybrids.... if I dare use the forbidden "H" word here
Being "wrong" in science is much more dignified than pretending to be "right"
And I used the "E. sp." example to discuss proper binomial nomenclature. I wasn't using it to argue the validity of the genus. But since you brought it up, it actually fascinates me too. Anyone else want to join this discussion?
Lol.... I expected someone to catch that. Every phylogeny is hypothetical. It is a proposed relationship schematic based on genetic analyses. This phylogeny is the most accepted. Stating this as hypothetical is the author's way of being transparent. There is no phylogeny that can be viewed as fact. They are ALL hypothetical unless you manipulated the generations in a controlled setting.
Well, Latin and Old Greek are both "dead" languages and as such there is no longer a "correct" way to pronounce the words. People from different countries will use different systems of pronunciation. I tried to touch that subject a bit with my discussion with ChrisLXXIX in regards to Italian pronunciation of Latin (soft "C" sound in front of "i", "ae" or "e" in contrast to Classical pronunciation in which "c" and "k" was always hard.) When it comes to Old Greek, no one really knows how to pronounce it anymore. The distinctions between voiced, voiceless and aspirated stops no longer exists in modern Greek for example. Neither does the Old Greek system of word accents that involved pitch. So, also with Old Greek we will use different systems. Greeks will pronounce it close to Modern Greek, whereas we learned the Erasmian system when I studied it at the University of Oslo.
Thank you for clearing this up. I was already wondering if those rules applied all over the world or just in English