Sasquatch or big foot debate

[~Abyss~]

And they didn't use those oils. The magic crap is bogus. Being highly religious we just ha our pastor come in and say some prayers.

What makes prayer less bogus?

 

[Tarantula155]

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What makes prayer less bogus?

:laugh::laugh: +1

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Honestly I believe in the fact that there MAY be an unidentified creature out there. As for ufos I believe. It would make the human race ignorant to believe that we are alone. As for ghosts I highly believe. I was supposed to have a brother and a sister. I was supposed to die... But they died and somehow I lived. When I was a child I would constantly see things and one time I even told my mother the boy was in the room (just me and her too) when we moved into our current house we found out an elderly lady had died here. I saw her (sware to the god I believe in!) and my dog did too. My parents heard noises and they are constantly waken by loud knocks. In a picture of my dog a face can be faintly seen! We ha the house blessed and now its gone. It was enough to convince.

cantthinkofone, that happens. It doesn't require a spiritual entity. Humans have flawed perception because humans aren't perfect creatures. The ability to hallucinate, even with relatively mild stimuli, is well established.

 

[lilmissmuffet]

My mother was a forester for many years. She currently teaches dendrochronology, forest stand dynamics, fire ecology, taxonomy and invasive species at a very prestigious university. This woman is incredibly science minded and she and her colleagues have logged hundreds of hours in the field (we're talking deep forest here). We used to live in the Pacific Northwest and knew very reputable, skeptical scientists with PhD's and lots of experience who swear up and down they've seen it with their own eyes....

 

[cantthinkofone]

I have my beliefs you have yours. I respect yours but, Marc spider, it appears you have no respect for mine and others. Maybe prayers are bogus. Maybe there is no god. But what I believe should be respected just as I respect your disbelief of what appears to be everything. I am not new to the forums and have been a frequent user for a year +

 

[Tarantula155]

I have my beliefs you have yours. I respect yours but, Marc spider, it appears you have no respect for mine and others. Maybe prayers are bogus. Maybe there is no god. But what I believe should be respected just as I respect your disbelief of what appears to be everything. I am not new to the forums and have been a frequent user for a year +

Just because I don't believe in your belief, that doesn't mean I do not respect it. I respect everyone's belief, even if I am debating about it. As expected because this thread's title "bigfoot 'debate".

 

[~Abyss~]

I have my beliefs you have yours. I respect yours but, Marc spider, it appears you have no respect for mine and others. Maybe prayers are bogus. Maybe there is no god. But what I believe should be respected just as I respect your disbelief of what appears to be everything. I am not new to the forums and have been a frequent user for a year +

People should be respected, not beliefs. Beliefs, especially those without evidence should be questioned.

 

[Smokehound714]

Until i can be presented with tangible proof that involves no hoax, i'll always be opposed to the following arguments:

#1- Humans walked alongside dinosaurs.. No evidence exists to support this, so far every argument supporting this has been littered with well-known hoaxes, and a general ignorance of the fact that even prehistoric cave-paintings from several spots worldwide actually depict their animals very accurately., compare a legit cave painting with a stupid stone with a horrendous 5-min dinosaur etching on a stone, you'll seldom see one depicting accurate anatomy, if at all. When you attempt to discuss this, people throw in the "Tail like a cedar" description of Behemoth in JOB, which was hilariously mistranslated. I dunno if it's okay to type the literal translation of the book of job, because it's kinda explicit.

Let's just say that "tail" was erect and its erm.. "roots" bulged with vigor. :laughing:

#2- The earth is less than 6,000 years old. LOLWUT. come on. go visit the grand canyon.


I'm quite surprised people need to discover things like this, when real amazing new species are discovered to this day, many of them very VERY strange.

Dinosaurs did walk with us, you know.. Chickens, and ducks, and ostriches.

 

[friendttyy]

Until i can be presented with tangible proof that involves no hoax, i'll always be opposed to the following arguments:

#1- Humans walked alongside dinosaurs.. No evidence exists to support this, so far every argument supporting this has been littered with well-known hoaxes, and a general ignorance of the fact that even prehistoric cave-paintings from several spots worldwide actually depict their animals very accurately., compare a legit cave painting with a stupid stone with a horrendous 5-min dinosaur etching on a stone, you'll seldom see one depicting accurate anatomy, if at all. When you attempt to discuss this, people throw in the "Tail like a cedar" description of Behemoth in JOB, which was hilariously mistranslated. I dunno if it's okay to type the literal translation of the book of job, because it's kinda explicit.

Let's just say that "tail" was erect and its erm.. "roots" bulged with vigor. :laughing:

#2- The earth is less than 6,000 years old. LOLWUT. come on. go visit the grand canyon.


I'm quite surprised people need to discover things like this, when real amazing new species are discovered to this day, many of them very VERY strange.

Dinosaurs did walk with us, you know.. Chickens, and ducks, and ostriches.

for #1 I walked with dinosaurs before.(Crocodiles)#The earth is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay over 6000 years old.

 

[The Snark]

My ex and I had purchased a 5 acre chunk of property on the N coast of Calif. I refrained from mentioning it until she brought up that the area of the property near the gate was 'dark'. I told her it was.
A couple of months living in there our 3 yr old son started getting woken up around 22:00 hrs. One or two nights a week he came to our room, very frightened. Over a period of a month the instances increased to every night and he was in terror each night. His room was the closest to the dark area of the property.
My wife asked me to become involved which I cannot directly do. However both her and I did some historical research and contacted the local indian (Yurok) tribe which had lived on and around our property. We were told of a nasty situation that had happened about 100 years previously. Two native brothers and the elder brothers wife lived on the property along with the couples child. The younger brother was partly debilitated and by reports, resentful of his brother's marriage and family. The situation came down to a mess. The elder brother, his wife and their child were found bludgeoned to death. The younger brother disappeared for a few weeks then apparently drowned himself. The home/camp of the family had been in the dark place, a stand of spruce, on our property.
My wife requested the local shaman to intervene in some way. The shaman said she could force -it- to leave but it was up to us to close the corners.
I invoked my own shaman, a warrior, asking him for his own intervention. Immediately, within 24 hours, I was given 2 visions. The first was our property but the tall rock promontory the house was on was just a slight rise. Instead of temperate rainforest it was steaming tropical jungle. The next AM I saw the entity on our deck.
I was called down to the dark place and sitting in the center of the spruce stand, among dank damp needles and mosses was a clean rounded stone about twice the size of a mans fist. I contacted the shaman and she asked the elders. They reported the weapon used to murder the family was suspected to be a stone sewn into a deer skin bag. A not too unusual weapon around those parts.
I evicted the stone from the property and disposed of it then undertook the ritual closing the corners. The shaman and a warrior came that afternoon and performed the spirit walk and undertook the eviction of the entity. It was an uncomfortable 3 hours.

Conclusions. We deduced the entity, which had lived in that area since prehistoric times had influenced the younger brother. It assaulting our child every evening was a very palpable example of it's power.

To the point. I'm involved, obviously, in traditional native rituals. I'm a neutral in certain matters thus my inability to directly intervene. My use is what we call a witness. What I saw on the deck was an intrusion into this world. As beings of that nature it is ephemeral but can on occasion become visible for a variety of reasons. I've seen a number of them under different circumstances. This one's manifested appearance was a dark grey shaggy humanoid. Very stooped yet close to 6 foot tall. It's 'body' was very powerfully built.

So I offer one version of bigfoot that undoubtedly has been noticed from time to time. By no means the answer to all the sightings. I would also suggest it be kept in mind that the origin word for Sasquatch is........ and comes from..........

There are more things on heaven and earth Horatio...

 

[~Abyss~]

Conclusions. We deduced the entity, which had lived in that area since prehistoric times had influenced the younger brother. It assaulting our child every evening was a very palpable example of it's power.

How did you arrive to this conclusion? What is the evidence behind this claim?

 

[cantthinkofone]

People should be respected, not beliefs. Beliefs, especially those without evidence should be questioned.

in saying that you are stating that no one is entitled to a belief. a belief is just that. BELIEF is something you believe and hence rarely have evidence

 

[~Abyss~]

in saying that you are stating that no one is entitled to a belief. a belief is just that. BELIEF is something you believe and hence rarely have evidence

I disagree most of what we believe is backed by evidence. Do you believe the sun will there tomorrow? You and everyone else is entitled to their beliefs. But when your beliefs are absurd, I execute my right to point that out. Someone can believe the world flat, or an invisible Cyclops watches us at night, or a fat guy travels all over the world delivering presents. None of those beliefs are based on evidence I don't have to respect them.

 

[The Snark]

"You must remember that one man's god may be another man's fairy tale. But both gods and fairy tales have their place in this world." -Gerald Durrell- The Mockery Bird

The greatest paradox possible is the pedant exploring the universe. All facts must be accurate, proven and precise while the exploration of the universe requires accepting the greatest leaps of the imagination ever known, the big bang, which is and will always remain unprovable conjecture that defies all known laws of science.

 

[friendttyy]

"You must remember that one man's god may be another man's fairy tale. But both gods and fairy tales have their place in this world." -Gerald Durrell- The Mockery Bird

The greatest paradox possible is the pedant exploring the universe. All facts must be accurate, proven and precise while the exploration of the universe requires accepting the greatest leaps of the imagination ever known, the big bang, which is and will always remain unprovable conjecture that defies all known laws of science.

True the big bang which,is said to be the reason of the galaxies can never proven as there can be no evidence unless some smart person onvents a time machine. I respect everyones belief unless its something like Tarantulas eat humans.

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"You must remember that one man's god may be another man's fairy tale. But both gods and fairy tales have their place in this world." -Gerald Durrell- The Mockery Bird

The greatest paradox possible is the pedant exploring the universe. All facts must be accurate, proven and precise while the exploration of the universe requires accepting the greatest leaps of the imagination ever known, the big bang, which is and will always remain unprovable conjecture that defies all known laws of science.

True the big bang which,is said to be the reason of the galaxies can never proven as there can be no evidence unless some smart person onvents a time machine. I respect everyones belief unless its something like Tarantulas eat humans. THAT WAS A EXAMPLE

---------- Post added 06-23-2013 at 08:12 AM ----------

"You must remember that one man's god may be another man's fairy tale. But both gods and fairy tales have their place in this world." -Gerald Durrell- The Mockery Bird

The greatest paradox possible is the pedant exploring the universe. All facts must be accurate, proven and precise while the exploration of the universe requires accepting the greatest leaps of the imagination ever known, the big bang, which is and will always remain unprovable conjecture that defies all known laws of science.

True the big bang which,is said to be the reason of the galaxies can never proven as there can be no evidence unless some smart person onvents a time machine. I respect everyones belief unless its something like Tarantulas eat humans.