Sahydroaraneus raja (indian blue dwarf)

[saturnthegrey]

I think dwarfs are the cutest of T's and i've had no luck with any info on these. I would love to have one of these but I don't know anything about temperament or care or anything. They are very quickly rising to my top five just based on looks and size.
Does anyone have any info on these that goes furthur than just where they are from? I know the genus used to be different but I cant find much about them before the name change either.

 

[Toxoderidae]

It's an OW, so it's probs got very powerful venom, skittish, and super fast. NOT a beginner.

 

[micheldied]

Seems they aren't very common, but you'd probably keep them like any tropical species from that region with a mostly terrestrial setup with some climbing space (I've heard they're semi-arboreal).

 

[saturnthegrey]

So I take it they are probably pretty quick then?

 

[saturnthegrey]

Sorry toxo, I didnt see your post. But thats what I assumed. I didnt know it was an OW so I may scratch this one from my list unfortunately...

 

[TownesVanZandt]

Sorry toxo, I didnt see your post. But thats what I assumed. I didnt know it was an OW so I may scratch this one from my list unfortunately...

All Indian T´s are OW. NW´s come from the Americas.

 

[Chris LXXIX]

So I take it they are probably pretty quick then?

Yes, man. Every Dwarf Theraphosidae is quick. Very quick, and they are pure finest "Houdini" (escape masters). On a personal taste note only, i'm not into those, because (unlike IRL things like cars etc) when it comes to Theraphosidae size (well, a decent size at least) matters for me.

 

[saturnthegrey]

I tend to lean towards the ones that stay under pr around five inches when mature. The Euathlus sp. "Red" is the one that got me into T's. its also been annoying trying to find one with all the non export stuff going on with it :/

 

[Radium]

I tend to lean towards the ones that stay under pr around five inches when mature. The Euathlus sp. "Red" is the one that got me into T's. its also been annoying trying to find one with all the non export stuff going on with it :/

Just as a warning, their reputation for being docile is only mostly accurate. I have two MF, one of whom is after my blood.

 

[viper69]

I tend to lean towards the ones that stay under pr around five inches when mature. The Euathlus sp. "Red" is the one that got me into T's. its also been annoying trying to find one with all the non export stuff going on with it :/

Sahydroaraneus raja has excellent blue iridescence.

There are MANY different species and localities of dwarf Ts from the NW. If you are a dwarf T lover like me, then your best bet is in the NW, not the OW. There are some OW dwarf species don't get me wrong, some have amazing colors to me at least. However, if speed, venom and disposition are all a concern for you at this point, then NW is the place to be. One of the OW species I love is a lightning fast speed demon according to one of the board's resident OW experts, and not easy to breed unfortunately.

For NW, you have quite a selection of species and localities, all of them are very hardy (like a GBB).

Currently there are E sp Red slings for sale, there were some E sp Yellows for sale not long ago as well. Those 2 localities have the best disposition hands down of any T. Radium is part of that 0.00000001% of E sp Red owners that have a feisty specimen unfortunately. All of mine are as docile as can be, they are truly an interesting locality.

If you don't mind owning a dwarf that is speedy (think GBB speedy), there are several NW species and localities to choose from as well, including one which doesn't have urticating setae. A couple others which have adult colors as slings!

 

[Radium]

Yeah, I would still recommend Euathlus sp. red to anyone, beginner or otherwise. I just wouldn't want someone to find out the punctured way that individual temperament > species profile.

 

[Chris LXXIX]

Just as a warning, their reputation for being docile is only mostly accurate. I have two MF, one of whom is after my blood.

IMO there aren't docile T's but T's that are viewed "docile" only because they are more slow, less agile, with a laughable venom potency (compare a "Grammo" one venom with Haplopelma hainanum potency, for instance) etc

There's great truth in Poec54 signature. Had/Have now a couple of NW "best begginer/starter" T's totally crazy with killer attitude worst than some (not my OBT) of my Baboons.

 

[Radium]

IMO there aren't docile T's but T's that are viewed "docile" only because they are more slow, less agile, with a laughable venom potency (compare a "Grammo" one venom with Haplopelma hainanum potency, for instance) etc

Oh, make no mistake, this species can really haul opisthosoma when it wants to. They're no arboreals, but I've seen both of my little girls bolt several inches at an appreciable speed when startled.

 

[Andrea82]

If you're looking for NW dwarf species,maybe the Cyriocosmus genus is interesting to get into?

 

[Biollantefan54]

Holothele, Cyriocosmus, Hapalopus, Kochiana, Euathlus, Phrixotrichus, etc. All good NW dwarfs.

 

[viper69]

IMO there aren't docile T's but T's that are viewed "docile" only because they are more slow, less agile, with a laughable venom potency (compare a "Grammo" one venom with Haplopelma hainanum potency, for instance) etc

There's great truth in Poec54 signature. Had/Have now a couple of NW "best begginer/starter" T's totally crazy with killer attitude worst than some (not my OBT) of my Baboons.

I completely disagree with you regarding their level of tolerance for external stimuli.

A T could be totally defensive in behavior but have weak venom, meaning it's possible For example, there are some non-venomous snakes that are way more "crazy" than even some venomous snakes. The same can be said for speed/agility too.

If E sp Red was exactly as it is now, but with venom that could kill an elephant, I would still say it's the most docile T on the planet known to man.

For me, docile doesn't necessarily mean harmless to man. For me, it means said animal tolerates man's presence/intrusion etc.

 

[peterUK]

S raja are the personification of a pet hole and you will rarely, if ever see them. They are also very slower growers
I bought 3 micro dots approx 18 months ago and they are now the massive size of 3/4 inch LS. I had 3 but one did a runner while i was repotting it inside a large RUB and it was up and over the side and under a racking unit never to be seen again
IMHO, possibly the worst species of spider that I've ever wasted my money on.

 

[Chris LXXIX]

I completely disagree with you regarding their level of tolerance for external stimuli.

A T could be totally defensive in behavior but have weak venom, meaning it's possible For example, there are some non-venomous snakes that are way more "crazy" than even some venomous snakes. The same can be said for speed/agility too.

If E sp Red was exactly as it is now, but with venom that could kill an elephant, I would still say it's the most docile T on the planet known to man.

For me, docile doesn't necessarily mean harmless to man. For me, it means said animal tolerates man's presence/intrusion etc.

Eh, it's hard for me to explain that well now, because the language doesn't help me sometimes (i don't know all words, or the better way for say some things sometimes) but the essence is: i think that certain T's were viewed, since decades of hobby, "docile ones" due to a mix of things, but IMO an ancient like the world, untamed predator machines like T's are, cannot be considered docile at the end.

 

[saturnthegrey]

Andrea I already have C. perezmilesi and C. elegans near the top if my list. Preferably elegans but perezmilesi are a bit more common place. Theres not too much of a difference between the two but I still do have my preferences and ill check out those other genus' biollantefan

 

[cold blood]

H. incei are worth a look. Crazy webbers and great feeding response. Very fast, but not particularly defensive.