Recovery?

[robc]

I am lost for words.....that was awesome ryan...:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :worship: :worship: :worship: :worship:

 

[GartenSpinnen]

2. Yeast are fungi that can be infectious. So it's probably best to stay as microbe free as possible.

I disagree. If done properly the yeast will be nowhere near the "patient", only Co2 will be in the vicinity.

Why would it be better?

You could hook this method up to an airtight container with the tarantula in it and wait for it to take effect. How is it not better? Baking soda and vinegar throws off huge amounts fast then its gone. This way you have time, and its more easy to work with. And if you need more, its right there for you.

Cheers

 

[Talkenlate04]

I think that was the biggest disadvantage of using the vinegar and baking soda. I actually had to do the mixture twice because I was not expecting the reaction to be so quick. I think I am going to try the yeast idea next time. (really hope that’s not soon.)

I hope everyone knows I just did it because it was an extreme case and I did not think it was going to correct itself. I am not going mad scientist and doing this all the time. Although it is tempting because it was a very interesting experiment!

As of this morning she was still very active and climbing around, and I have to admit she is making it longer then I thought she might. Gosh I really hope she molts.

 

[DrAce]

It was a real fast reaction that was for sure. If your not ready you will miss a bulk of it.

You can control it and slow it down by adding the baking soda in pellets - wrap them up in a couple of layers of tissue paper/newspaper. That just slows things down enough to let you get caps on bottles etc.

Regardless, you should be proud of that effort, Ryan!

 

[DrAce]

I disagree. If done properly the yeast will be nowhere near the "patient", only Co2 will be in the vicinity.

Why would it be better?

You could hook this method up to an airtight container with the tarantula in it and wait for it to take effect. How is it not better? Baking soda and vinegar throws off huge amounts fast then its gone. This way you have time, and its more easy to work with. And if you need more, its right there for you.

Cheers

I agree - there's practically no chance of spreading a yeast infection from bakers yeast (note, that this isn't the 'yeast' infection you might be thinking of). Any 'practically zero' chance becomes zero when you put a water scrubber in the way that was suggested above.

As I just posted, there are ways of controling the baking soda reaction - I've never actually tried the yeast for these purposes. Dry ice, if you can get it, might be another good slow source.

 

[JayzunBoget]

Has anyone else had any experience using CO2 to anesthetize tarantulas? Or heard of anyone else using it?
Or seen or heard of any references of it being used on tarantulas or insects?
Where had you originally heard of the practice, Ryan, if you don't mind me asking.

 

[GartenSpinnen]

Isnt there a reference in one of the good ol tarantula books... tarantula keepers guide?

 

[presurcukr]

page # 155 T.T.K.G by Schultz and Schultz http://www.arachnoboards.com/ab/showthread.php?t=127527&highlight=presurcukr this should help

 

[JayzunBoget]

Great references, thank you guys. I still haven't made it cover to cover on the Tarantula Keepers Guide, but I can't believe I missed that one.
This seems to be a fairly common practice (well among the uncommon practice of tarantula anesthetics, anyways) and a misconception on R. Pizzis part that it would be fatal to spiders/tarantulas.

 

[GForce14063]

I have used co2 for killing large numbers of rats for freezing when I was into reptiles. I used co2 from a tank used in a beer dispenser.

 

[DrAce]

Great references, thank you guys. I still haven't made it cover to cover on the Tarantula Keepers Guide, but I can't believe I missed that one.
This seems to be a fairly common practice (well among the uncommon practice of tarantula anesthetics, anyways) and a misconception on R. Pizzis part that it would be fatal to spiders/tarantulas.

We've used CO2 for mammals too (mice), if we don't want to interfere with some transporters on the embryo.

 

[JayzunBoget]

We've used CO2 for mammals too (mice),

To anesthetize or euthenize?

if we don't want to interfere with some transporters on the embryo.

:? care to share with the class?

 

[_bob_]

Update

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v127/_bob_/Arachnids/ouchy38824-1.jpg <-- larger image

Here is an update of my girl since she molted. You can actually see that its all the way up to her book lung. That is about half of her book lung exposed. I am very much interested in trying what you did this Sunday.

Bob

 

[Talkenlate04]

Holy smokes thats big.
My girl ate another roach today, so it will be interesting come molt time if she makes it!

 

[DrAce]

To anesthetize or euthenize?


:? care to share with the class?

Sure. Anesthetize. I've used it to euthanize, but mostly rats.

My lab works with embryos - particularly transportation, and sodium-hydrogen exchanger activities in preimplantation embryos.

All of the fun anesthetics muck up the activities of transporters - mostly in the nerves. Embryos, for reasons which only they seem to know, use mostly nervous system transporters (like Glyt1, Imino, ASC, and B0,+) to transport amino acids. So, those anesthetics muck them up too.

Incidentally, Carbon dioxide mucks up the Na/H exchanger, by playing with the pH of the subject - mostly on the euthanasia end of the treatment, but to a lesser extent in the middle. For reasons I don't understand, we were prevented from using cervical dislocation for euthanasia, so had to resort to gas-tricks to get what we needed.

We now use cervical dislocation to sacrafice mice we use.

 

[_bob_]

Holy smokes thats big.
My girl ate another roach today, so it will be interesting come molt time if she makes it!

Yeah it is very large... I am very much interested in trying to anesthetize her to examine it better.

 

[Odinp13]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v127/_bob_/Arachnids/ouchy38824-1.jpg <-- larger image

Here is an update of my girl since she molted. You can actually see that its all the way up to her book lung. That is about half of her book lung exposed. I am very much interested in trying what you did this Sunday.

Bob

Bob, I agree with another reader who mentioned possibly using a syringe and needle to aspirate the abcess. This minumizes the site from more bacteria and provides a smaller surface to seal. I know from the looks like aseptic technique may not be a major factor, but when we attempt these treatments we always try to "do no harm" when possible. If this little gal has an untoward outcome you have fewer reasons to beat yourself up.

Talkinlate did a stellar job, and I commend him for the strength to pull it off. Few would have had the nerve to take a path not travelled like that one.

 

[Faunya]

For those of us who would rather not tinker with creating our own CO2, Jungle Laboratories puts out a product for aquarium use called the CO2 fizz factory. You can buy refill tablets for this "fizz factory", which look like selzer tablets...just drop one in water, and it will produce CO2 continuously for 5-10 minutes...until the tablet is completely dissolved. This should allow plenty of time to collect what you need without having to make a big mess...just a thought.

 

[JayzunBoget]

Darn...

I was hoping that this was an update on the patient/subject of this post.
How is she doing, Ryan? Has she molted yet?
_Bob_, any word on yours?
SteveValys, is your P. metallica still with us?
Inquiring minds want to know!

 

[GartenSpinnen]

I can almost hear them all in the background... in there little white gowns with the paddles yelling CLEAR!!!!!!!!!!