Question to help a friend

[drainbran]

Hello Spider friends!

I have a friend who wants a tarantula and asked me for advice but I do not know enough species to give said advice.

She has other pets and wants a spider that will not have urticating hair flying around so no pet that lives in that room or enters it can have any kind of reaction. (So they should not kick hairs or lay them in the enclosure.)
Still as the only experience so far is jumping spiders and wolfspiders she doesn't want a known medically significant teleporter.
Max enclosure size would be 40cm in each direction. If its not just plain one coloured brown/black thats a plus.

Is there anything that can work?
I thought of Psalmopeus species or maybe Cyriocosmus elegans (mine has never thrown hair, no idea if it places it in the enclosure if so I dont react to it) or maybe D.diamantinensis?
She loves M.balfouri to look at but as far as I know it being an OW means it's in the "medically significant teleporter" group. :'D

Other than that tiny bit I am no help.

Any good ideas to look up?
Thanks!

 

[Wolfram1]

Neoholothele incei !

 

[IntermittentSygnal]

Every tarantula is equipped with a defense system. They either have stronger venom or urticating setae.

 

[drainbran]

Every tarantula is equipped with a defense system. They either have stronger venom or urticating setae.

Yeah for sure.
But some might be less likely to use it than others.

 

[Ratmosphere]

Dolichothele diamantinensis.

 

[viper69]

Hello Spider friends!

I have a friend who wants a tarantula and asked me for advice but I do not know enough species to give said advice.

She has other pets and wants a spider that will not have urticating hair flying around so no pet that lives in that room or enters it can have any kind of reaction. (So they should not kick hairs or lay them in the enclosure.)
Still as the only experience so far is jumping spiders and wolfspiders she doesn't want a known medically significant teleporter.
Max enclosure size would be 40cm in each direction. If its not just plain one coloured brown/black thats a plus.

Is there anything that can work?
I thought of Psalmopeus species or maybe Cyriocosmus elegans (mine has never thrown hair, no idea if it places it in the enclosure if so I dont react to it) or maybe D.diamantinensis?
She loves M.balfouri to look at but as far as I know it being an OW means it's in the "medically significant teleporter" group. :'D

Other than that tiny bit I am no help.

Any good ideas to look up?
Thanks!

Given your friend needs help- have them make an account and ask questions themselves.

 

[drainbran]

Good idea. Still has me wondering if a very to pretty docile species without urticating hair exists. I will research that now because I want to know. :'D

 

[IntermittentSygnal]

Yeah for sure.
But some might be less likely to use it than others.

This is true, but individuals can always vary. If hairs or venom is a big concern, T’s may not be the right pet for her. It would suck if she got one and then had to rehome it, unless you took it for her of course, lol.

 

[Ratmosphere]

Good idea. Still has me wondering if a very to pretty docile species without urticating hair exists. I will research that now because I want to know. :'D

Any interest in C. darlingi ? Great starter OW and bites are known to not be too bad.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4470046/ (venom research)

https://arachnoboards.com/threads/c-darlingi-owners.242320/ (talk about bites in here)

 

[regalpaws]

Psalmopoeus as a first is a no no, in my opinion. Too fast.
C. elegans, idk, maybe? Usually unless you're paying top dollar for an adult (around $75-150ish) you're getting an 1/8" sling, which can be challenging to raise.
I'd say anything like a Brachypelma, Aphonopelma, etc. Get em bigger than a sling.

With anything, they need to do research BEFORE they buy.

I made that mistake when I first entered the hobby. I bought an Avicularia, thinking I knew enough to get one. I definitely did not. My avic happily matured out, and with help from folks here, they saved my butt. But I learned my lesson. It isn't worth the instant gratification.
Do your research. And then some more.

 

[Mustafa67]

Hello Spider friends!

I have a friend who wants a tarantula and asked me for advice but I do not know enough species to give said advice.

She has other pets and wants a spider that will not have urticating hair flying around so no pet that lives in that room or enters it can have any kind of reaction. (So they should not kick hairs or lay them in the enclosure.)
Still as the only experience so far is jumping spiders and wolfspiders she doesn't want a known medically significant teleporter.
Max enclosure size would be 40cm in each direction. If its not just plain one coloured brown/black thats a plus.

Is there anything that can work?
I thought of Psalmopeus species or maybe Cyriocosmus elegans (mine has never thrown hair, no idea if it places it in the enclosure if so I dont react to it) or maybe D.diamantinensis?
She loves M.balfouri to look at but as far as I know it being an OW means it's in the "medically significant teleporter" group. :'D

Other than that tiny bit I am no help.

Any good ideas to look up?
Thanks!

Tell your friend to search the forum

 

[bonewax]

Any interest in C. darlingi ? Great starter OW and bites are known to not be too bad.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4470046/ (venom research)

https://arachnoboards.com/threads/c-darlingi-owners.242320/ (talk about bites in here)

That is a good idea. They will quickly burrow and make web tunnels. I saw mine frequently out working on webbing or waiting at the mouth of the burrow. When disturbed they just retreat to the burrows. It seems like you would have to be doing something very silly to be bit by one. They look awesome and have no urticating hairs.

 

[NMTs]

A 40cm cube is pretty big... A larger NW species without UrS is a hard thing to find, but one that would fit in that enclosure nicely is Ephebopus murinus - the skeleton tarantula. They are fossorial, so you - err, your friend - will need to provide deep, moist substrate so it can dig a burrow. They can be a little skittish/defensive, but once it has a burrow established it will retreat into the safety of that rather than stand and fight or try to bolt. They create awesome entrances to their burrow, too, often building up a turret with leaf litter and substrate. Just one option to consider...

Ephebopus murinus juvenile male

• NMTs
• May 29, 2022
• 4
• e. murinus ephebopus ephebopus murinus male murinus post-molt

Here's my freshly molted E. murinus giving me a look. Was able to get the molt and sex him this...

I think D. diamantinensis or N. incei are good choices, too - they could build some impressive web castles in that size enclosure.

This thread contains a list of (almost) all NW genera that don't have urticating setae, so you might have your friend review it to see if anything looks interesting:

List of new worlds which do not possess urticating hairs

With the input of the experienced members on this site, could this thread be used to compile a list of new worlds which do not possess urticating hairs? I will add to this list as the esteemed members add them Neoholothele Psalmopoeus tapinauchenius Pseudoclamoris D diamantinensis ......

arachnoboards.com

 

[cold blood]

The concern for animals with regards to hairs is completely irrational. Don't let the animals put their heads directly into enclosures and you will never have a problem....my dog is in my t room all the time, heck my last dog would lay next to me when I was pairing NWs....total and complete non issue.....keep in mind, my t room contains hundreds of NWs.....and they're worried about a single t? Lol

 

[KodiakWavingBear]

Any interest in C. darlingi ?

I also agree w/ this. My 3rd T was a C. darlingi and I loved having him. Great aggressive eater, grew fast (got him as a sling and his hooks came out after 9 months), not too shy so you could see him often, webbed up everywhere, and although he was fast he just ran into his burrow. Never seen a threat pose from him too.

Do keep in mind not all Ts will act the same they all have their own personality.

 

[drainbran]

The concern for animals with regards to hairs is completely irrational. Don't let the animals put their heads directly into enclosures and you will never have a problem....my dog is in my t room all the time, heck my last dog would lay next to me when I was pairing NWs....total and complete non issue.....keep in mind, my t room contains hundreds of NWs.....and they're worried about a single t? Lol

That's good to know because that fear of hers than scared me because I have an L.sazimai sling and wanted a Brachypelma (But up to 30 years is a long life. I am about 40 I don't want to outlive my pets. So I might get a shorter lived one instead. Or a male.) and have guineapigs in my living room. :'D I didn't even think about it being a possible problem because I saw people having them and other pets all the time before.
How often do you vacuum/dust wipe your T-room? My L.sazimai lives in the carpeted bedroom so far but is currently still tiny. My C.elegans will stay in the bedroom her whole life. But I think the L.sazimai will have to move to the living room or kitchen or hallway one day. Still deciding on the best place. Let's see how spicy that baby will become... :'D

A 40cm cube is pretty big... A larger NW species without UrS is a hard thing to find, but one that would fit in that enclosure nicely is Ephebopus murinus - the skeleton tarantula. They are fossorial, so you - err, your friend - will need to provide deep, moist substrate so it can dig a burrow. They can be a little skittish/defensive, but once it has a burrow established it will retreat into the safety of that rather than stand and fight or try to bolt. They create awesome entrances to their burrow, too, often building up a turret with leaf litter and substrate. Just one option to consider...

I only have room for another of about 30x30cm because my L-sazimai will take up some space when grown. Might get it up to 35x30cm or maaaaybe even 40x30cm but that would need some serious thinking. My friend on the other hand can easily place 40x40cm and just doesn't want more.
But I am simply by far not experienced enough to tell her what to get. I know jumpers. Tarantulas? Man I am new to that. I just wanted ideas what she can research. I got some. Now she can look into it and then hopefully make an account here to ask her own questions because I do not want to ask questions about each species she is interested in. But the D.diamantinensis are very pretty! Seem to be kinda rare here though...

 

[Wolfram1]

heavy webbers are usually a good choice since they rarely leave the web, and when spooked they will just disappear into their web tunnels, its also interesting to look at
The genera Neoholothele and Dolichothele fall into this category

in that sense the genus Ceratogyrus might be worth a look despite the venom (old world). They stay comparatively small, so 30x30 to 40x40cm would be ideal and the horn is always a conversation starter, C. marshalli would be my choice of the group, though they are all equally interesting, they also stridulate when annoyed