Python escapes and strangles two boys to death

[hamhock 74]

Just read this on the bus, preliminary autopsy results show the two boys were asphyxiated. Media jumps onboard and runs off with it.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...in-campbellton-new-brunswick/article13636297/

 

[Stirmi]

I don't believe in conspiracies but isn't it a little too coincidental how a snake killed two boys without attempting to eat them or anything and the snake wasn't aggressive according to reports at the same time the catx and adding the remaining five large constrictors are trying to be passed?

 

[BCscorp]

Apparently the investigation continues, the boys have been laid to rest. Articles where reporters talk to snake experts basically all agree that this is not typical behaviour for these animals. Maybe they are saying strangulation as a nicer way of saying 'crushed to death'? Still seems very odd.

 

[pitbulllady]

http://www.fox.com.au/fox-news-feed/2013/8/snake-deaths-now-a-murder-investigation/

THIS update was actually posted on August 8 in AUSTRALIA, but of course OUR media here in the US isn't going to report this at all, but due to the testimony of snake experts with actual experience with these animals, combined with evidence gathered so far, this case has now officially become a murder investigation, and it's about time! The authorities are actually listening to people who know something about large snakes, and hopefully it won't be long before the truth is known and the PEOPLE responsible for this horrible act are punished.

pitbulllady

 

[The Snark]

It's a very sad reflection of modern day TV (moron) mentality that murder wasn't suspected until a PM positively caste the snake as the suspected culprit. Do they have any idea how incredibly stupid they look when an article like that gets published? The average mentality is so hypnotized by Hollywood trauma-drama they will suck up utter fantasy before even considering common sense and facts!

I note that the original new report was updated 1 week later to note a murder investigation is now opened.

Let's put this whole silly thing in perspective. I took this shot surrounded by around 45 pythons up to 15 feet long. Why was I perfectly safe? Just maybe it's because pythons don't attack people? Now if I was covered in feathers and shaped like a chicken and standing there...

 

[Tleilaxu]

So any updates on the story. The media has gone silent on it after leaving the snakes killed the two boys......

 

[Malhavoc's]

So any updates on the story. The media has gone silent on it after leaving the snakes killed the two boys......

Unfortunately even in Canada, its gone quite, you see, snake murders that's news, people on people murder? that's an every day occurrence.. I'm tempted to call the local police office and ask for a statement.

 

[Deathmetal]

Please do and post here!

 

[SamuraiSid]

“Early autopsy results concluded that the boys were asphyxiated by an African rock python”

Read more: http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/owner-...ood-on-hands-clothing-1.1423259#ixzz2dEPqwb00

I know we all get a little overzealous when the media shifts their attention our way, or towards anything we hold dear. But I have heard enough to see its possible the snake could have done this, no matter how much I would rather think a creature as beautiful as that could kill two innocent children. But that’s what it boils down to.

I'm by no means an expert, and have been led astray by false info in the past, so please keep that in mind. Its just an opinion folks.

Firstly, a large constrictor will constrict as a defense technique if it must. Rare as it may be, it is in the snakes list of possible actions, and it ranks higher than, “roll over and die” during a high stress situation.
As stated, people are not a choice of prey for snakes. This could explain why the snake didn’t eat them.
The snake fell directly onto the children/ the hole in the ceiling was directly above where the children slept, according to the owner. Is it possible the fall stressed the snake, and landing on a squirming mass would be cause for concern for the snake? Is it possible having 100lbs dropped onto you from 8 feet would startle you, make you freak out, and/or knock the wind out of you if you happen to be a young child?

To the individual who started this wildfire by saying they recall another news story where the snake owner eventually came forward and said they used the snake as a scapegoat, could you provide a link? Google failed me

---------- Post added 08-27-2013 at 09:50 PM ----------

this case has now officially become a murder investigation, and it's about time!

Criminal investigation... Fox news fails again... Or maybe this is a case of cultural semantics I dont mean to argue with you, 'PBLady.

 

[The Snark]

To sum up, the snake fell several feet, landed, encircled the necksor thorax of two children without the normal strike, overcame their struggling and attempts to free themselves until clinical deaths set in with both victims, 3 to 5 minutes, then continued to constrict for another 2 to 3 minutes until biological death occurred.

Contrapuntally, the 'old man, grandpa, up at the snake farm, a 20 foot+ 250+ lb Burmese. Nobody ever enters his enclosure unless the entire staff, 6 people, is present somewhere at the farm and able to hear calls for help. If grandpa was feeling his oats and warmed up and frisky, it is doubtful that a large powerfully built man could survive and escape an attack.

Both makes and models of snake are around the same size.

 

[Kazaam]

This whole story sounds like a big steaming heap of nonsense to me.

Did they kill the snake that 'did it' for being a snake yet?

 

[MatthewM1]

I'm pretty sure I read it was euthanized a day or 2 after

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[pitbulllady]

This whole story sounds like a big steaming heap of nonsense to me.

Did they kill the snake that 'did it' for being a snake yet?

Yes, of course they did. At least the authorities down in FL spared the Burm that "killed" Shania Hare, even treating its knife injuries inflicted by its 400-pound owner. But in most cases like this, they kill the animal, especially if it was a snake.

pitbulllady

 

[BCscorp]

The fear mongering against snakes since the incident has been bad. Not constant, but in the negative generally. I guess you would have to call whoever did the autopsy to get more than "died from asphyxiation by snake".

 

[SamuraiSid]

The fear mongering against snakes since the incident has been bad. Not constant, but in the negative generally. I guess you would have to call whoever did the autopsy to get more than "died from asphyxiation by snake".

Exactly. Anyone that understand snake behaviour knows it didnt need to be killed. But is it possible the snake needed to die to appease the general public? If that snake was alive today, public outcry would be far woarse, and in the end, whatever new legislation they might put in place "against" us, will be lessened by the fact the snake was killed.

Also, the media doesnt pander to enthusiasts. They provide info for the general public, and in that, they might leave out details people like us could question. Im wondering, is anyone else here willing to admit its plausible? Or are we, as a group, happy calling the snake owner a murderer?

Im of the opinion that during these harsh times, we need to educate, not cry over the incident and make ridiculous accusations. Thats the same kind of sensationalism the media uses.

 

[lancej]

Exactly. Anyone that understand snake behaviour knows it didnt need to be killed. But is it possible the snake needed to die to appease the general public? If that snake was alive today, public outcry would be far woarse, and in the end, whatever new legislation they might put in place "against" us, will be lessened by the fact the snake was killed.

Also, the media doesnt pander to enthusiasts. They provide info for the general public, and in that, they might leave out details people like us could question. Im wondering, is anyone else here willing to admit its plausible? Or are we, as a group, happy calling the snake owner a murderer?

Im of the opinion that during these harsh times, we need to educate, not cry over the incident and make ridiculous accusations. Thats the same kind of sensationalism the media uses.

Being a parent myself, as well as asking all the other parents I know, I cannot understand how the owner of the snake could sleep through anything crashing through the ceiling of a room where children are sleeping. The story has changed on where the snake was being housed - first it was reported that the snake was being kept in the store below the apartment, then it was cited as living in the apartment. Another thing that bothers me is that the son of the snake owner was having his best friends sleep over, yet they weren't all in the same room? As if the noise from the ceiling crashing down wasn't enough to wake the owner, but also the screams that surely ensued by at least one of the victims? I guess anything's possible as long as the stars, the moon, and the planets align in a perfect way. The fault still lies with the owner for failing to take proper precautions and allowing this to happen. It's called negligence, possible child abuse, and even manslaughter or murder if the owner knew the snake could or had escaped and did nothing to prevent/rectify the situation.
Also, anyone who knows the behavior of large constrictors could tell you that this was completely atypical of either an attack or defensive behavior. I guess it's possible that this was a one-of-kind snake that goes against all known behavior and instinct. I guess it's possible that unicorns really do exist also.

 

[Louise E. Rothstein]

The stories have changed at least twice.
But they are all improbable.

Few snakes,if any,could crash through ceilings.
And,if they did,who could sleep through that...?

If the children were already dead, though...
They WOULD sleep through that.

Guilty...or totally terrified people...
Well...
Might fake sound sleep.

 

[lancej]

The stories have changed at least twice.
But they are all improbable.

Few snakes,if any,could crash through ceilings.
And,if they did,who could sleep through that...?

If the children were already dead, though...
They WOULD sleep through that.

Guilty...or totally terrified people...
Well...
Might fake sound sleep.

exactly!! This is my thinking also.

 

[SamuraiSid]

Thanks for not flaming me. Honestly I was kind of dreading it...

Ive heard of people sleeping through gunfire, so 100lbs of awesome crashing through the ceiling is believable to me.

Ive read a bunch of different stories from different news stations and think that might be why some of the facts are mixed up, however maybe the guy has been changing his story. I dont know.

Currently, RCMP are treating this as a criminal investigation, and its likely the man will be charged with "Death Caused by Criminal Negligence" or "Manslaughter". Either way he is facing a life sentence. Only difference is the amount of evidence.

 

[Malhavoc's]

To sum up, the snake fell several feet, landed, encircled the necksor thorax of two children without the normal strike, overcame their struggling and attempts to free themselves until clinical deaths set in with both victims, 3 to 5 minutes, then continued to constrict for another 2 to 3 minutes until biological death occurred.

Contrapuntally, the 'old man, grandpa, up at the snake farm, a 20 foot+ 250+ lb Burmese. Nobody ever enters his enclosure unless the entire staff, 6 people, is present somewhere at the farm and able to hear calls for help. If grandpa was feeling his oats and warmed up and frisky, it is doubtful that a large powerfully built man could survive and escape an attack.

Both makes and models of snake are around the same size.

My only issue is, the story changed, the pet store/ snake cage was in the lower floor, with the children on the upper floor, not many ventilation systems would have a duct running through the ceiling, especially newer homes/buildings. never mind duct running from the lower floor through the wall over the ceiling to a vent.

to further on my post with photos of the building and another source in the news...
http://www.citynews.ca/2013/08/05/s...an-zoo-kills-2-children-in-new-brunswick-cbc/