Poecilotheria Venom Vs. True Spider Venom ( black widow, brown recluse)

[Chris LXXIX]

Because of the sheer size of the P. muticus. It´s huge and defensive. I will say that Ceratogyrus spp. (apart from your specimen) is much better suited for beginners.But THE best OW species to begin with is without a doubt E. pachypus. I got two of them and they are both as easy going as a OW can get

I can't figure out why she (mine Ceratogyrus marshalli) is so psycho.
Btw can i ask you something? Do you use additional heating in winter or normal room heating?

 

[TownesVanZandt]

I don´t use any additional heating even during the harshest period of the Norwegian winter. I keep them in my living room with radiators as heat source and they seem to thrive well

 

[Chris LXXIX]

Because of the sheer size of the P. muticus. It´s huge and defensive. I will say that Ceratogyrus spp. (apart from your specimen) is much better suited for beginners.But THE best OW species to begin with is without a doubt E. pachypus. I got two of them and they are both as easy going as a OW can get

Pelinobius muticus (Females, i mean, because, with all the respect and everything, males are nothing special) are like the Macallan barrel of that good old days TV cartoon spot. They love to stay repaired and sleep in their burrows, for years under LOTS of cm of substrate. Send them a cricket, and they are happy. You never see them, but rest assured they are there, with you. Pelinobius muticus never betrays you.

 

[ARACHNO-SMACK48]

I can't figure out why she (mine Ceratogyrus marshalli) is so psycho.
Btw can i ask you something? Do you use additional heating in winter or normal room heating?

My marshalli is one of the " chillest " T's in my collection. By far my favorite Ceratogyrus.

---------- Post added 06-09-2015 at 07:19 PM ----------

Here is another controversial question that I would like some info on. I know that there are supposedly no recorded deaths that are a direct result of a tarantula bite....and that poecilotheria bites are considered "medically significant" but would you say there is any real risk of death as a result of a bite from an adult of this genus?

 

[awiec]

My marshalli is one of the " chillest " T's in my collection. By far my favorite Ceratogyrus.

---------- Post added 06-09-2015 at 07:19 PM ----------

Here is another controversial question that I would like some info on. I know that there are supposedly no recorded deaths that are a direct result of a tarantula bite....and that poecilotheria bites are considered "medically significant" but would you say there is any real risk of death as a result of a bite from an adult of this genus?

Maybe if you got bit in the eyeball and refused treatment? The only recorded death was due to a guy having other medical conditions at play and he got bit right in a carotid artery (important artery in the neck).

 

[Chris LXXIX]

My marshalli is one of the " chillest " T's in my collection. By far my favorite Ceratogyrus.

---------- Post added 06-09-2015 at 07:19 PM ----------

Here is another controversial question that I would like some info on. I know that there are supposedly no recorded deaths that are a direct result of a tarantula bite....and that poecilotheria bites are considered "medically significant" but would you say there is any real risk of death as a result of a bite from an adult of this genus?

I will give you my honest opinion.
I.. say yes, man. I think that, if adult specimens of Theraphosidae like Poecilotheria spp. or Stromatopelma calceatum, Pterinochilus murinus, some Haplopelma such hainanum etc bite a children on the neck, face, or in other delicate body parts... uhm. That would be possibly deadly.
Those who will disagree with my statement, on the other hand, just like me with mine, can't prove 100% "right" or 100% "wrong".
How many accurate, trusted bite reports we have read? Not so many, thank God, let me say, because bite can happens but they are rare if things are doing by manual.
But yet all of those bite reports were made by adult, healthy people, who got bitten in the finger... i have read about a Stromatopelma calceatum bite in the neck, in Africa, and that (he was a Sierra Leone soldier if i'm not wrong) was dangerous.
Think if that bite would have been to a 5 year children...

 

[awiec]

I will give you my honest opinion.
I.. say yes, man. I think that, if adult specimens of Theraphosidae like Poecilotheria spp. or Stromatopelma calceatum, Pterinochilus murinus, some Haplopelma such hainanum etc bite a children on the neck, face, or in other delicate body parts... uhm. That would be possibly deadly.
Those who will disagree with my statement, on the other hand, just like me with mine, can't prove 100% "right" or 100% "wrong".
How many accurate, trusted bite reports we have read? Not so many, thank God, let me say, because bite can happens but they are rare if things are doing by manual.
But yet all of those bite reports were made by adult, healthy people, who got bitten in the finger... i have read about a Stromatopelma calceatum bite in the neck, in Africa, and that (he was a Sierra Leone soldier if i'm not wrong) was dangerous.
Think if that bite would have been to a 5 year children...

Which I'm fine without knowing, the fact that we don't have many bite reports is a good thing. Though I still suspect that an adult is not going to die from a P.ornata bite, be in a lot of pain, yes but they should recover.

 

[Chris LXXIX]

Which I'm fine without knowing, the fact that we don't have many bite reports is a good thing. Though I still suspect that an adult is not going to die from a P.ornata bite, be in a lot of pain, yes but they should recover.

I agree. I think the same. No healthy adult has died from a (let's use Poecilotheria ornata for examples, since suits well) Poecilotheria ornata bite. Yet we have only that few, trusted, bite reports, and that's a good thing.
But what about those people that, and they do exists, live, without knowing, in that border of "life" and "death", like those apparently healthy, sport mans who die young from unknow until that day, heart problems?
If, assume, a Poecilotheria ornata, can put them to death or really near to death, then we would have tomorrow to say something like: "They aren't deadly, unless you have some here and there problems etc"
Just my two cents however.

 

[awiec]

I agree. I think the same. No healthy adult has died from a (let's use Poecilotheria ornata for examples, since suits well) Poecilotheria ornata bite. Yet we have only that few, trusted, bite reports, and that's a good thing.
But what about those people that, and they do exists, live, without knowing, in that border of "life" and "death", like those apparently healthy, sport mans who die young from unknow until that day, heart problems?
If, assume, a Poecilotheria ornata, can put them to death or really near to death, then we would have tomorrow to say something like: "They aren't deadly, unless you have some here and there problems etc"
Just my two cents however.

Honestly any person who has a heart problem is going to have a rough time if they get bit by ANY venomous animals as most venoms cause muscle cramping and if your heart is already compromised...you're going to have a very bad day.

 

[Chris LXXIX]

Honestly any person who has a heart problem is going to have a rough time if they get bit by ANY venomous animals as most venoms cause muscle cramping and if your heart is already compromised...you're going to have a very bad day.

True. But what if "you" don't know about that problem and you think to be completely healthy? It's rare but happens. Nwankwo Kanu example. He was, years ago, a Nigerian top football (soccer) player, of Ajax Amsterdam.
After USA Atlanta 1996 he was purchased by Italian team "FC Inter". Well, FC Inter docs (Italian docs are good with dealing with heart problems, i can guarantee) found a severe heart defect and he went into surgery.
No one from Ajax Amsterdam docs found that. His career was at an end. After the surgery, he recovered.
What if he received back then a full wet bite from a Poecilotheria ornata ? We couldn't know, but it isn't wrong to think the worst.

 

[ARACHNO-SMACK48]

I am young. In good health, work out, and consider myself to be in decent shape. Do you think a bite from this genus could create a heart problem if one does not previously exist?

 

[Chris LXXIX]

I am young. In good health, work out, and consider myself to be in decent shape. Do you think a bite from this genus could create a heart problem if one does not previously exist?

My man, i'm 36, maybe not so young but not even old. Good health, work out too, same shape imo for me. Even Nwankwo Kanu of my example of before believed that, and he was a soccer MVP, like American NBA champions etc
But honestly only God can answer such questions.
I would say "not", but with low voice, only assuming this from the bite reports from Poecilotheria ornata i/you have read.
No one is dead for a bite from them until now. Just that.. all of those bites happened in fingers, much less hands.
Never read about a neck, face, heart near bite so imo i leave open a "door", even a small one, for doubts.
It's normal, after all, people. We are talking about badass venomous animals.

 

[TownesVanZandt]

I am young. In good health, work out, and consider myself to be in decent shape. Do you think a bite from this genus could create a heart problem if one does not previously exist?

I highly doubt a bite from any tarantula can create a heart problem. What Chris LXXIX was talking about was underlying heart conditions that were there all the time. This is terrible off topic, but I seem to remember that it was a guy playing for Livorno that suddenly just collapsed and died on field a couple of years back, so even though you are an fit or even a professional athlete you can never be sure if you have a condition or not. It is not very likely though...

 

[Chris LXXIX]

I highly doubt a bite from any tarantula can create a heart problem. What Chris LXXIX was talking about was underlying heart conditions that were there all the time. This is terrible off topic, but I seem to remember that it was a guy playing for Livorno that suddenly just collapsed and died on field a couple of years back, so even though you are an fit or even a professional athlete you can never be sure if you have a condition or not. It is not very likely though...

That's right. He was Pierpaolo Morosini, Serie A Livorno player. Miklós Fehér? What about him? Hungarian player. All of them top class soccer athlete.

 

[ARACHNO-SMACK48]

Okay. I will definitely consider holding off on the large poecis. Though I do already have a 1.75 striata that won't stay 1.75 in forever. Any ideas for some good alternatives to consider getting? I have spent a lot of time on my custom adult arboreal tanks and I am not going to leave em empty. HahaI may just treat myself to a really nice AF tapi or irminia instead if I can find one.

 

[windscorpions1]

Okay. I will definitely consider holding off on the large poecis. Though I do already have a 1.75 striata that won't stay 1.75 in forever. Any ideas for some good alternatives to consider getting? I have spent a lot of time on my custom adult arboreal tanks and I am not going to leave em empty. HahaI may just treat myself to a really nice AF tapi or irminia instead if I can find one.

Avicularia brawshawni (think I spelled that right) gets to be a decent sized arboreal I think

 

[Chris LXXIX]

Okay. I will definitely consider holding off on the large poecis. Though I do already have a 1.75 striata that won't stay 1.75 in forever. Any ideas for some good alternatives to consider getting? I have spent a lot of time on my custom adult arboreal tanks and I am not going to leave em empty. HahaI may just treat myself to a really nice AF tapi or irminia instead if I can find one.

Psalmopoeus are great arboreals Theraphosidae.
Psalmopoeus irminia one of the best, dark colors, unique. Psalmopoeus cambridgei is a giant, maybe one of the biggest arboreals.
As for Tapinauchenius gigas, violaceus.. don't know much except: they are super fast, cool, and.. a bit little, compared to Psalmopoeus?

 

[Methal]

First time I was bit by a black widow the symptoms were as follows: First 15 minutes: Burning, cramping, crushing of bones. Next 40 hours AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!
at one point I asked the doctor to cut my arm off right then and there.

 

[windscorpions1]

First time I was bit by a black widow the symptoms were as follows: First 15 minutes: Burning, cramping, crushing of bones. Next 40 hours AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!
at one point I asked the doctor to cut my arm off right then and there.

so symptoms were pain, pain and more pain? lol

 

[Chris LXXIX]

Okay. I will definitely consider holding off on the large poecis. Though I do already have a 1.75 striata that won't stay 1.75 in forever. Any ideas for some good alternatives to consider getting? I have spent a lot of time on my custom adult arboreal tanks and I am not going to leave em empty. HahaI may just treat myself to a really nice AF tapi or irminia instead if I can find one.

Only this last for be fair enough. If you want a Poecilotheria ornata, if you feel ready for that, then go for it.
I can't answer your questions of before about venom (trust me, i think no one really can) so we must stick with trusted bite reports we have available, and they are important.