Please Help ASAP Liocheles waigiensis problems :(!

[snippy]

Check where it is from and check http://www.iten-online.ch/klima/klimatabellen.htm or similar and "bingo", you will know how to keep it.

Regards
Finn

 

[Hornets inverts]

Good to hear its looking better. If you can post a pic of both of them next to a ruler i can give you a good indication on what instar they are.

Since liocheles can be housed together, as keister said, they will do all the breeding stuff themselves. The males are very keen to mate, i have often seen them racing around the tank, juddering, looking for the girls. Gestation is around 9months and the bubs are very easy to rear and take about 4 years to mature.

 

[Justblayzee]

Oh sweet ! I'll take a photo in about 3 days when they've become less stressed. Do inlay the tail out or should I wait till they are laying down. Before ingot them they've said were 2.7cm including tail if that helps I will redo it but.

 

[Justblayzee]

This is my tank & the female. Avoid picking in me I know I'm goofy.

 

[Hornets inverts]

guessing 4th instar, sounds too big for 3rd instar

 

[Justblayzee]

This is my tank & the female. Avoid picking in me I know I'm goofy.

*picking on me.

 

[Hornets inverts]

Some pics of lio's to give you idea of size.

First 3 pics are of a 5th instar female north qld species, as you can see shes looking very fat so shouldnt be too far off moulting, last pic is a mature female south east qld specimen who i'm hoping is gravid

 

[Justblayzee]

Mine are exactly the same size so I'm guessing there adults

 

[Justblayzee]

So she hadn't left her hide in a about 4 days, I picked her up today with no body response. She looks like she's shedding because those things on her back are separating a little bit. She's not hard she feels floppy & soft so I put her in a ice cream dish to see if she moves in a few days. I feel so bad for her

 

[Hendersoniana]

I'd just let her be in her tank. Also, those things on her back (tergites) do seperate, but not when molting itself takes place. Scorps molt face first and slowly inch their way out. I wouldnt pick her up and move her around, it would cause uneccessary stress. Also, she can dont leave her hide for a month and it wouldnt seem weird. It means they feel safe and comfortable. I had scorps block off their burrows and live underground for months and i sometimes forget about them. Dont worry so much, a scorp going to molt is lerthargic and doesnt respond as readily. Good luck.

 

[Hornets inverts]

4 days hiding for a liocheles isnt anything to worry about although they dont block them selves off for long periods like some other scorps unless they are either moulting or giving birth. If shes not moving at all when touched its possible shes ready to moult so your best of leaving her alone. If i were you i would placed her in a small plastic container with moist coco peat and put her in the dark. Dont disturb her, check in a few days, if shes not smelly by then chances are shes preparing to moult

 

[Justblayzee]

I'd just let her be in her tank. Also, those things on her back (tergites) do seperate, but not when molting itself takes place. Scorps molt face first and slowly inch their way out. I wouldnt pick her up and move her around, it would cause uneccessary stress. Also, she can dont leave her hide for a month and it wouldnt seem weird. It means they feel safe and comfortable. I had scorps block off their burrows and live underground for months and i sometimes forget about them. Dont worry so much, a scorp going to molt is lerthargic and doesnt respond as readily. Good luck.

Thank you I'm leaving her to the ice cream tub for another 2 days & see how she goes. It's mainly because i don't want her dead & rotting with a fellow scorpion in there seems like bad hygiene.

 

[D3N2]

From my personal experience with Liocheles australasiae, they are not very active scorpions. Especially the younger instars. More than 90% of the time, mine tend to hide under their wooden decor, some even digging burrows, which is not usual for L. australasiae. I've noticed that they freeze when disturbed. If I pick them off the wood, they stay frozen, playing dead. They usually don't spring to life until covered with a piece of wood again. I've only seen my adults sit out in the open, and usually this is when it's dark. When disturbed, they have the same reaction as the juveniles, but not as extreme. Because of this, I leave them alone unless I'm feeding.

Might be different with L. waigiensis though..

 

[richoman3]

there is nothing to worry about
its all normal, all of my liocheles hide, infact since i got them 2 years ago i never seen them out, scorpions are creatures that hide not run around like reptiles. also they hardly eat, i feed mine once every 2 weeks and sometimes they dont even budge.
liocheles are really secretive scorpions, they are flat like that because they hide in cracks in rcoks and just leave the claws out for suspecting prey, this is also why they have such a small tail, they hardly sting their prey. also they dont burrow

what i suggest you do is, move them into a smaller enclosure, and with the bigger one go looking out near you for some of your own liocheles and you can make a communal setup in there with more individuals.

 

[Hornets inverts]

Up in here in qld lio's seem very active, mine are out and about pretty much every night. They are also commonly found wandering at night when black lighting, not as secretive as urodacus, more like Lychas with their activity from my experience

 

[D3N2]

Up in here in qld lio's seem very active, mine are out and about pretty much every night. They are also commonly found wandering at night when black lighting, not as secretive as urodacus, more like Lychas with their activity from my experience

Hornets inverts, are you talking about L. waigiensis or Liocheles in general? Do you mostly find adults, or all ages?

I wonder if my L. australasiae are just not comfortable in their enclosures yet. They are all in temporary vials or small deli containers, will be moving them to more permanent enclosures when I get home. As I mentioned, the 2 adult wild-caught ones I have are less shy. The 3i-4i ones, either wild-caught or captive-bred, are all pretty secretive. It might not be an indicator of Liocheles activity level then, instead might have to do with age or stress..

 

[Hornets inverts]

L. waigiensis is the species i have experience with but from reports on australasiae i have seen they are also very active in the wild and are often found climbing tree's. Also the specimens i have found wandering are generally adult or sub adult

 

[richoman3]

L. waigiensis is the species i have experience with but from reports on australasiae i have seen they are also very active in the wild and are often found climbing tree's. Also the specimens i have found wandering are generally adult or sub adult

wasnt an australasiae found like 10m up a tree once? or could it of been 30m, maybe 50m ... couldnt remember what it was but it was bloody high

 

[Hornets inverts]

40m according to newts book

 

[Justblayzee]

Just an update, my male got moved into a smaller tank which he seems to like I built him a hide then covered it in dirt & built a level above it with fake plants. He seems to be more active I check him once a week to see how he's doing which I don't think he likes haha. Ive read a lot here & learnt I was worried about feeding as he came with medium crickets so I bought them, he's eaten one since I've had him. I'm going to take the cricket I have running in there out tonight & try & feed him again in a week . I was pretty bummed that my female died so I buried her in my backyard.