Pink Toe T putting substrate in web?

SaraLiess

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Hi! I am a third grade teacher and recently purchased a young (2") Pink-Toe T as our class pet. Today I noticed she put a little bit of substrate inside her web. Is there a particular reason why she would do this? (I am curious, as I know my students are going to ask me about it tomorrow!)
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Greasylake

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We call that a dirt curtain. It basically just blocks out light and makes the tarantula feel more comfortable in its hide. Also, could you post a picture of the enclosure? If there are any modifications to be made to make sure the spider is healthy and lives out its full life we can point them out.
 

AnObeseHippo

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Maybe no reason why, maybe it just fell off of them, or an intentional dirt curtain as mentioned above. They just do their own thing sometimes.

If you want to post a picture of the enclosure we can make sure everything else is good. Most pet stores and care sheets give poor information and we just want to make sure your class’ friend will be there for years to come

Otherwise, welcome to the forums. Good to have another curious soul here
 

SaraLiess

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E9F177CD-5E29-4CF4-A3DC-55C65099784D.jpeg A8A2B749-CC7C-42BD-B41D-D580CBEE39CC.jpeg Thank you both! As a class we have read several informational books on Ts and it has been so fun for the kids (and me!). Speaking of misinformation ... I have heard lots of contradictions on misting. I have a water cup, should I still be misting once a week, or even more? See pics attached (I removed the log recently, as it only seemed to serve as shelter for the crickets). I also have a heating element attached to the bottom of the terrarium.
 

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View attachment 284532 View attachment 284533 Thank you both! As a class we have read several informational books on Ts and it has been so fun for the kids (and me!). Speaking of misinformation ... I have heard lots of contradictions on misting. I have a water cup, should I still be misting once a week, or even more? See pics attached (I removed the log recently, as it only seemed to serve as shelter for the crickets). I also have a heating element attached to the bottom of the terrarium.
No need to mist ever with tarantulas. Avics like a dry enclosure and they’ll get most of their water from the prey. A water dish is just a safety precaution, or if you’re scared it needs water you can put a few drops on its web. Quite cool watching them drink it.

Also, room temperature is fine for Ts. The rule of thumb is that if you’re comfy, they are. Heat pads touching the enclosure just act to dehydrate the the T. If room temp drops too cold for comfort then you’re much better off with getting a space heater or placing the enclosure in a cabinet with the heat mat (essentially acting as a space heater)
 

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View attachment 284532 View attachment 284533 Thank you both! As a class we have read several informational books on Ts and it has been so fun for the kids (and me!). Speaking of misinformation ... I have heard lots of contradictions on misting. I have a water cup, should I still be misting once a week, or even more? See pics attached (I removed the log recently, as it only seemed to serve as shelter for the crickets). I also have a heating element attached to the bottom of the terrarium.
That condensation with lack of air holes will kill that T fast. DRY sub, with airholes drilled all around. I drilled mine top, middle, and low above the sub.
Your T can chew through that mesh top. Replace with a square of acrylic that has holes drilled in (sounds like a class project).

View attachment 284532 View attachment 284533 Thank you both! As a class we have read several informational books on Ts and it has been so fun for the kids (and me!). Speaking of misinformation ... I have heard lots of contradictions on misting. I have a water cup, should I still be misting once a week, or even more? See pics attached (I removed the log recently, as it only seemed to serve as shelter for the crickets). I also have a heating element attached to the bottom of the terrarium.
Ack! Lose the heating element!
Welcome to Arachnoboards, by the way. :)
 
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SaraLiess

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Thank you! I am unplugging the heating element tomorrow! Luckily I haven’t misted for a few days, so the habitat has dried out. I am so glad I posted on here, all of you are so helpful. I certainly don’t want to make my T sick. Do you know of a terrarium I can buy that will provide the right amount of ventilation? I live in Denver so it’s naturally pretty dry here.
 

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Unfortunately, the enclosure you use isn't appropriate for an Avic. It lacks cross ventilation (which is crucial for Avics) and the mesh lid could also pose a serious risk for your T, as it could get stuck with its tarsals in there.

These threads are the ones to read for proper care of your Avic: :)

Avicularia care by @Venom1080
Avicularia husbandry by @viper69
 

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I'm not sure Avicularias make for the best classroom pets because they are very unforgiving of any husbandry mistakes - if you get the conditions right they are hardy and will thrive, get just one thing wrong and chances are you will have to explain their death to your young students very soon - and there are several of that kind of mistakes that I can see in your enclosure...

First of all, it looks much too wet in there. Avics don't do well in humid conditions in captivity. High humidity + low ventilation = dead Avic.I'm sure you've read a lot of care sheets - and unfortunately all of them were wrong and only provide you with the best advice on how to kill your pet fast. Somehow it's practically impossible to correct old, outdated, and completely wrong information on the internet. Lose the hygrometer/thermometer thing, it's unnecessary at best and misleading at worst.

Second, that heating element is unnecessary. It's not as dangerous for Avics as it is for terrestrial spiders, because a healthy Avic should never be on the ground for more than a few minutes to hunt or drink, but it's still useless. The heat gets trapped under the substrate and won't reach where you want it anyway.

Third, that log on the ground is unnecessary for the Avic, but provides a perfect hiding place for feeder insects. As stated above, a healthy Avic should never be on the ground.

Fourth, since an Avic lives off the ground, it needs a place to live in and on higher up. Your piece of wood and plant is a good starting point, but it's not enough. You want a larger, solid, upright piece cork bark or wood, where the spider can comfortably perch on with legs spred out, not some slim round wood that doesn't provide a good resting place anywhere - additional to what's already in there.
 

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Do you know of a terrarium I can buy that will provide the right amount of ventilation? I live in Denver so it’s naturally pretty dry here.
I have been using the Exo Terra Mini/Tall (12" x 12" x 18") for my Avicularia avicularia, although that's a little too big for a 2" spider.

The Exo Terra Nano/Tall (8" x 8" x 12") is a better size for a 2" spider, but neither should be used without replacing or covering the mesh. (Tarantulas can get their tarsal claws stuck in mesh. While attempting to free themselves, they can lose a leg or even fall.)

When using Exo Terras, I also remove the foam backdrop. It's cheap and falls apart, and feeders invariably find their way behind it.

The downsides of Exo Terra are that they are expensive and made of glass, which prevents you from easily adding cross-ventilation.

A lot of people use less expensive, often homemade alternatives. Things like AMAC boxes can be easily modified to house tarantulas.

As far as furnishings go, as @boina mentioned, you'll want a vertical slab of cork for it to use as a hunting perch. I keep the bottom half of the enclosure bare, as Avics spend little time on the ground, and the extra cover just provides hiding places for feeders.

Instead, put lots of leafy clutter in the top half of the enclosure. They will use this for webbing and cover.

My Avicularia get these Command soap dishes (Walmart # 552371875). The mount sticks to glass, and you can lift and remove the dish for cleaning. (You just need to block the drainage hole in the bottom.) I like these dishes, because they are elevated, which Avics seem to be more likely to find, and they allow drinking from multiple positions.



You can also put a water dish on the ground if you can't find one that you can mount on the side. I've seen Avics drink from both ground and elevated dishes.

Sometimes, however, they seem to forget where their dishes are, so then I drip a little water into the webbing for them to drink. (Don't mist the enclosure. Just make a puddle in the silk.)
 

SaraLiess

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Unfortunately, the enclosure you use isn't appropriate for an Avic. It lacks cross ventilation (which is crucial for Avics) and the mesh lid could also pose a serious risk for your T, as it could get stuck with its tarsals in there.

These threads are the ones to read for proper care of your Avic: :)

Avicularia care by @Venom1080
Avicularia husbandry by @viper69
Thank you!

I have been using the Exo Terra Mini/Tall (12" x 12" x 18") for my Avicularia avicularia, although that's a little too big for a 2" spider.

The Exo Terra Nano/Tall (8" x 8" x 12") is a better size for a 2" spider, but neither should be used without replacing or covering the mesh. (Tarantulas can get their tarsal claws stuck in mesh. While attempting to free themselves, they can lose a leg or even fall.)

When using Exo Terras, I also remove the foam backdrop. It's cheap and falls apart, and feeders invariably find their way behind it.

The downsides of Exo Terra are that they are expensive and made of glass, which prevents you from easily adding cross-ventilation.

A lot of people use less expensive, often homemade alternatives. Things like AMAC boxes can be easily modified to house tarantulas.

As far as furnishings go, as @boina mentioned, you'll want a vertical slab of cork for it to use as a hunting perch. I keep the bottom half of the enclosure bare, as Avics spend little time on the ground, and the extra cover just provides hiding places for feeders.

Instead, put lots of leafy clutter in the top half of the enclosure. They will use this for webbing and cover.

My Avicularia get these Command soap dishes (Walmart # 552371875). The mount sticks to glass, and you can lift and remove the dish for cleaning. (You just need to block the drainage hole in the bottom.) I like these dishes, because they are elevated, which Avics seem to be more likely to find, and they allow drinking from multiple positions.



You can also put a water dish on the ground if you can't find one that you can mount on the side. I've seen Avics drink from both ground and elevated dishes.

Sometimes, however, they seem to forget where their dishes are, so then I drip a little water into the webbing for them to drink. (Don't mist the enclosure. Just make a puddle in the silk.)
Thank you! I unplugged the heating element this morning and will no longer mist. I definitely want this beautiful spider to be happy and healthy. I am going to order the Exo Terra terrarium and command soap dish. I will post photos when it is setup!
Thank you again!
Sara
 
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Thank you! I unplugged the heating element this morning and will no longer mist. I definitely want this beautiful spider to be happy and healthy. I am going to order the Exo Terra terrarium and command soap dish. I will post photos when it is setup!
Thank you again!
Sara
Really great to see teachers opening their students’ eyes to new things =) Kudos to you and wonderful that you care enough to seek the info to make your tarantula healthy and happy

Looking forward to seeing the new set up, everything else I would say for requirements has already been said (cross-ventilation, high water dish, dry substrate)
 

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I think the enclosure is fine and the decor is great! You have already been made aware of and fixed the issues with the set up (heating element and moist sub). There shouldn't be any issues with the amount of ventilation, and while a lot of people are concerned with screen/mesh lids I wouldn't change your entire enclosure just because of that... especially with something like an Avic.
 

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Thank you!


Thank you! I unplugged the heating element this morning and will no longer mist. I definitely want this beautiful spider to be happy and healthy. I am going to order the Exo Terra terrarium and command soap dish. I will post photos when it is setup!
Thank you again!
Sara

You'll need to modify the ExoTerra screen top. Ts get their tarsal claws stuck in screen quite easily.

See here, this method worked well for others

http://arachnoboards.com/threads/replace-screen-tops.289820/page-2
 

SaraLiess

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My Pink Toe has built a pretty cool funnel web and has recently closed it off at the top (it’s still open at the very bottom). Will he / she leave the web to hunt at night?
 

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My Pink Toe has built a pretty cool funnel web and has recently closed it off at the top (it’s still open at the very bottom). Will he / she leave the web to hunt at night?
Usually closing off of funnels/webs/etc indicates the T is in premolt :) It will come out again when it is ready.
 

SaraLiess

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Usually closing off of funnels/webs/etc indicates the T is in premolt :) It will come out again when it is ready.
Thank you!

I have read on this site and other sources online to keep humidity up during a molt. From the recommendations above, I was told never to mist the enclosure. We live in Denver, so it is dry here. How do I keep humidity up without misting? I have a small water dish at the bottom of the enclosure and put a few drops of water directly on the web for drinking every other day.
 
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MintyWood826

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I have read on this site and other sources online to keep humidity up during a molt. From the recommendations above, I was told never to mist the enclosure. We live in Denver, so it is dry here. How do I keep humidity up without misting? I have a small water dish at the bottom of the enclosure and put a few drops of water directly on the web for drinking every other day.
Humidity for molting tarantulas is a myth. They can't use moisture from the air.
(For the species that do need moisture, Avicularia/Caribena/Ybyrapora NOT being those, water is poured into the substrate to keep it moist.)
 
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