Pink Toe Habitat Check

INDDannyboi

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Ok thank you for the clarification. So you are suggesting my tarantula potentially dehydrated himself to death by hanging on the mat.
Unfortunately if I take the mat off, the tempature will be very close to 60 degrees. Is that better for a Pink Toe?

(Also I can’t take the requested picture to sex him, he is facing away now)
You can heat the enclosure if you do it right. The problem with heat mats is that the heat will dessicate the spider. On one hand the heat from the mat will increase the spiders metabolism, meaning it needs more water. On the other hand the heat will dry out the spider. That combination can be deadly.

Humidity is an old concept and it proves very hard to eradicate from care sheets and other sources. Unfortunately it doesn't work for spiders. Especially arboreals can live in any kind of humidity or lack thereof, no matter that they are from the rain forrest. On the other hand, in high humidity bacteria will thrive and multiply - any kind of bacteria. If there's one pathogen in the mix then your spider is practically doomed. In the rain forrest the multitude of microorganism make sure no pathogen can take over. In your enclosure you don't have that luxury. Avics especially seem to be very prone to succumb to anything that gets into their enclosures. For that reason everyone on here will strongly recommend that you keep them dry.

Now, after sitting on that heat pad for so long your Avic may be dehydrated. Dehydration would lead to all the symptoms it is showing, including curling up. Now, do not even think about humidity! Your spider needs a drink, not a sauna. Place it with its mouth parts in a shallow dish full of water and see if it will drink.

Edit: sorry if this is repetitive, I was still typing when the others were posting...
Thank you everyone! Very informative and helpful. Hopefully this information all in one spot will help others too.
Thanks!
 

Teal

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Ok thank you for the clarification. So you are suggesting my tarantula potentially dehydrated himself to death by hanging on the mat.
Unfortunately if I take the mat off, the tempature will be very close to 60 degrees. Is that better for a Pink Toe?

(Also I can’t take the requested picture to sex him, he is facing away now)

Edit: I cannot change the heat in the apartment, I live with 3 others that all like it cold. But I understand the concept, thank you.
Just trying me best with the situations at hand
Can you make the micro climate I described to provide heat?

If you have a deli cup, I would scoop the T into it for a photo.

Also, if he really is dehydrated you could place his fangs on a water dish. But if it is a mature male, he will die regardless of any steps you take.
 

MissouriArachnophile

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In the second set of pictures, the third one it kind of looks like a tibial hook is there. Could you give them a better picture of the front legs and pedipalps and if possible underneath.
 

cold blood

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In the second set of pictures, the third one it kind of looks like a tibial hook is there. Could you give them a better picture of the front legs and pedipalps and if possible underneath.
I don't see it, but that doesn't mean it's not there.
 

Aleetist

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In the second set of pictures, the third one it kind of looks like a tibial hook is there. Could you give them a better picture of the front legs and pedipalps and if possible underneath.
I went back and looked at the pics and am now wondering if it is a MM myself, I see what looks like could be tibal hooks and I keep trying really hard to see if there is any pink on the pedipalps.
OP, if it is a MM (mature male) it was already on a timer, and while the heating pad might have sped that timer up some, this spider would have been a goner before too long anyway.
 

StampFan

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Had it for about a week. Had webs near the ground but knocked them all down itself.
Was very active but began slipping off the glass. Friend said they saw it on its back at one point, but it’s just propped up on its side again.
Personally, I swear I see the death curl.

How’s the tank look? Is it dying or molting?
I just had a juvenile Avic Avic die this week that I just acquired in August. It either fell (it was also slipping on the acrylic for some reason, premolt possibly) or went to the bottom to molt and died at the beginning of the process. Mine didn't web a thing in 3 months, which I felt was really strange.

Starting to wonder if some of the SADS-blamed Avic deaths are unseen falls from taller enclosures.
 

INDDannyboi

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I just had a juvenile Avic Avic die this week that I just acquired in August. It either fell (it was also slipping on the acrylic for some reason, premolt possibly) or went to the bottom to molt and died at the beginning of the process. Mine didn't web a thing in 3 months, which I felt was really strange.

Starting to wonder if some of the SADS-blamed Avic deaths are unseen falls from taller enclosures.
I went back and looked at the pics and am now wondering if it is a MM myself, I see what looks like could be tibal hooks and I keep trying really hard to see if there is any pink on the pedipalps.
OP, if it is a MM (mature male) it was already on a timer, and while the heating pad might have sped that timer up some, this spider would have been a goner before too long anyway.
Interesting, super interesting on the gender.
And what does “SADS” mean?
 

Aleetist

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Interesting, super interesting on the gender.
And what does “SADS” mean?
Sudden Avic Death Syndrome. Kind of a retired term now that we know all those Avics were dying of terrible husbandry that was thought to be accurate at the time. Old info said Avics needed high humidity and many a keeper unbewittingly was keeping their Avics is stuffy death traps. This resulted in a lot of unexplained deaths, particularly in slings, to the point people thought they were super delicate even when kept "properly" and eventually the term SADS arose as a result. Thankfully many a keeper has been educated on proper care and the term doesn't really work anymore as we know what was causing the majority of those deaths is what turned out to be bad husbandry.
 

viper69

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I changed it accordingly and took more pictures.
Also just want to note, with heating pad on back side, the tank sits around 68-70.
And are you humidity doesn’t matter?
The room sits round 60s.

Can I save this little guy... trying my best.
Man, you need serious help.

1. Take out the backdrop (not mandatory, just gives it more room)
2. You HAVE to put more cage furniture in there, like plastic plants, vines etc. That tank looks like a prison cell. The poor little T barely has anything to climb on.
3. Don't forget a water bowl, can't remember if you had one in there

If you can't keep the temps up, due to living situation, either move out, or give the T to someone who can care for it properly. 60F is too cold.

And what does “SADS” mean?
Absolutely nothing, it's myth. Anytime you see it, just translate into your head "Person has no clue about what they are talking about"

Also, if you have screen top, you need to replace the screen with a piece of drilled out acrylic instead. Ts get stuck in the screen, may die, can lose legs.
 
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