peat moss vs. eco-earth

[rasputin]

You basically called over half of the people on this board and idiot... Who cares what the mixture is as long as it doesnt hold any chemicals to harm out t's and that it DOES in fact retain water as it should..

You're right, I guess I did. I don't seem to get your point :?

This isn't a million dollar equestion or anything..

:wall:

Yes, technically it is:

"Because of the challenging ecological conditions of peat wetlands, they are home to many rare and specialized organisms that are found nowhere else. Some environmental organizations and scientists have pointed out that the large-scale removal of peat from bogs in Britain, Ireland and Finland is destroying wildlife habitats. It takes centuries for a peat bog to regenerate."

 

[rasputin]

Well, Smitty did the reading. At least someone is willing to read more than what's in front of them to try and understand my point. I put a lot of research over the years into that information. When I went fishing as a kid and reeled in green slimy crap, we called it peat moss - it is inert, it has a value of zero and dries out like a rock and you have to grind it up and mix it with dirt to make peat (note that peat is a mix of peat moss and dirt).

It's much like the search function everybody rants about when they don't want to answer a question that's been asked a million times - that's my frustration, people just want information read to them instead of reading it for themselves. And I'm the one getting called out for, initially asking, then demanding that people do their homework? Sod that load of crap.

 

[Mack&Cass]

Oh, you guys...

We also use coco fibre mixed with sphagnum and haven't had problems. We did have a bit of problem with mold at the beginning, but that was due to a lack of ventilation. Then we eventually got it right and since then we've been able to find a really good balance. We also use it for our burrowers (C. crawshayi, H. lividum, E. murinus, etc) and they have no problem burrowing in it and it has yet to collapse on any of them.

Cass

PS Rasputin, those links were very informative, thanks for posting them

 

[Smitty78]

Don Julio shots on me fellas. That will take the edge off.

I have one for you as well Cassandra

 

[rasputin]

PS Rasputin, those links were very informative, thanks for posting them

Thanks Cass

 

[Mack&Cass]

I have one for you as well Cassandra

Haha nice. I'm not even arguing and I get a free shot. Awesome.

Cass

 

[Kris-wIth-a-K]

No no I understood it perfectly after the posts and my confusion was dismissed. I take back statement of you calling everyone idiots. I read your statement wrong rasputin. MAJOR Apologies on my part.

 

[varanus dwarfus]

I can attest to what rasputin is saying. I used it in large volume pretty much straight (not heavily mixed) in a monitor enclosure. At first it worked pretty well! In a fairly open enclosure it really dries out and does not get moist again easily. Water really does roll off it quite easily and even if I pour a heavy amount of water into the enclosure it beads up and rolls to the lowest point. Since then I've mixed it quite heavily with other stuff (sandy loam, coir, etc). Works well when mixed, but it doesn't seem to work well on its own if there is a lot of ventilation.

I did find one really nasty biproduct of using it. The enclosure I kept it in is fairly open so it dried out pretty quick. The monitors dig around a lot and when they are chasing crickets their cage can quite often become a replay of the dust bowl. The dust they kick up in this stuff is extremely tiny/light and will float for a long time... until making sure that it has covered every inch of the room with a thin layer. The volume they can kick up is pretty alarming as well, I don't get dusting problems from other dirt filled cages with 4x the surface area. I don't think you'd have this problem with Tarantulas, so not entirely applicable to this situation. Just thought I'd throw my experience out there.

 

[moose35]

. Then Moose did what Moose does best, and egged him on so he could try to collect another signature quote.

hey now....i've never egged anyone on to make it into my signature.....they make it there all by themselves


moose

 

[NBREP]

oops

I didn't mean to make anyone argue.

 

[Kirk]

I didn't mean to make anyone argue.

Don't worry. You weren't the cause of this thread turning into an ego-fest.

 

[rasputin]

I didn't mean to make anyone argue.

As Kirk said, it's not your fault. It was another stupid argument where the archaic way of doing things went head to head with new logic. The thread should be safe now.

 

[Kirk]

As Kirk said, it's not your fault. It was another stupid argument where the archaic way of doing things went head to head with new logic. The thread should be safe now.

Logic had nothing to do with the degradation of this thread.

 

[daytona1911]

I have a nursery here in florida and use all the items mentioned except eco earth or tarantulas Iown , but only use eco earth for them . lol. go figure. but , as far as the peat debate goes , once it drys out completely or when you annially get it , it is very hard to wet or rewet unless you have a wetting agent , of which Im not sure id like to use with tarantulas. once its moist, it is easy to rewet so long as it doesnt dry out completely. I use it in my bog gardens with the pitcher plants, venus fluy traps, and butterworts . I know its very acidic and Id imagine would also help with mold issues , but I like the idea of using spagnum moss and garden soil. havent done it as I like my current mix , but has sound logic behind it. BUt as far as peat moss being a nonrenewable resource, so is spaghnum moss. They are collected indescrimanatly by many manufacturers and natural bog locations are being leveled . along with native bog plants and orchids. THe crushed and block coconut fibers and ecoearth seem to be more eco friendly , plus both seem to work great for my ts , of which I have over 80. Just my two cents.

 

[moose35]

what about the peat thats in my filter on my fish tank?

is that real peat?
cause its wet also....
and i was dry when i put it in there...its a miracle.


but on a semi-serious note

@rasputen
is your beef with peat that its a non renewable resource?


moose

 

[rasputin]

Moose,

No further comment. Read the links. Peat is a mix of peat moss and something else (generally dirt) hence why your Fluval Peat is wet (it's not the moss that's wet but the medium it's mixed with and the fact that it sits in water 24/7. You use peat in an aquarium to alter the pH). At any rate, I'm done with the jibber jabber on this thread, I don't have time for foolish debate at this point.

 

[moose35]

i'm actually curious now....and maybe confused....

i really don't know what your arguement is anymore either....
your links all say differnet things and contradict themselves.

what i think you want to say is that using peat is bad for the enviroment?
please correct me if i'm wrong.
cause most of the links say peat will absorb water and hold it for a long time.



moose

and its not fluval peat nor a fluval filter....its just peat from the same bag i use for my spiders.
and yes its for sofenting the water plus i really like the "blackwater" look it gives my tank.

 

[Kirk]

At any rate, I'm done with the jibber jabber on this thread, I don't have time for foolish debate at this point.

I laughed, and I laughed.... :}