Pamphobeteus sp "insignis" (Ecuador) vs Pamphobeteus sp insignis (Colombia)

[NorseDad]

I purchased a sling from an expo this weekend labeled P. insignis. I know the Pamphobeteus is a messy group from a classification point of view. Could someone educate me on the main differences between the Pamphobeteus sp "insignis" (Ecuador) vs. Pamphobeteus sp insignis (Columbia). Does anyone have pictures of mature adults to show the differences between the two locales? I haven't been able to find a ton of information beyond that the Ecuadorian "insignis" has slings with the Christmas tree pattern. P.S. Added the best picture I could get at the moment of my new baby for interest.

 

[neurotrauma1010]

Pamphobeteus insignis Ecuador

I purchased a sling from an expo this weekend labeled P. insignis. I know the Pamphobeteus is a messy group from a classification point of view. Could someone educate me on the main differences between the Pamphobeteus sp "insignis" (Ecuador) vs. Pamphobeteus sp insignis (Columbia). Does anyone have pictures of mature adults to show the differences between the two locales? I haven't been able to find a ton of information beyond that the Ecuadorian "insignis" has slings with the Christmas tree pattern. P.S. Added the best picture I could get at the moment of my new baby for interest.
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[neurotrauma1010]

Pamphobeteus insignis Ecuador

My photo there .....neurotrauma

 

[Comatose]

Sp. Ecuador is what you’ve got there. There’s no connection between the two species; like sp. platyomma and sp. nigricolor some importer back in the day slapped a vaguely similar-sounding species name on them and it stuck. Still very cool spiders; they just aren’t insignis.

 

[neurotrauma1010]

Sp. Ecuador is what you’ve got there. There’s no connection between the two species; like sp. platyomma and sp. nigricolor some importer back in the day slapped a vaguely similar-sounding species name on them and it stuck. Still very cool spiders; they just aren’t insignis.

Then all the commentators in FB group Pamphobeteus chimed in stating it was the Ecuadorian version lol. I am beginning to think there is no where to obtain real knowledge

 

[neurotrauma1010]

As in Ecuadorian insignis they stated

 

[Comatose]

We're saying the same thing. I'm simply pointing out that aside from a passing resemblance based on the original description there's no reason to equate the Ecuadorian species with the original Columbian animal. It's a shame that the South Ecuadorians had their genepools messed up in the hobby and haven't been treated with the same taxonomic reverence as the Columbians - as I said they're amazing animals. Many of them, such as "Goliath", "nigricolor" and "mascara" are the largest members of their genus and deserve to be admired for their own qualities rather than outdated comparisons to other species.

My .02

 

[neurotrauma1010]

Sounds good btw due to other comparisons I have seen are Colombian T species somehow superior to Ecuadorian etc?

 

[Comatose]

Superior is a mostly subjective measure IMO. Columbian species are rarer, haven’t been available for nearly as long and aren’t bred as much. I personally think they’re generally better looking and I admire that they’re more representative of their wild counterparts due to lack of cross breeding, but that hardly makes them objectively better.

 

[neurotrauma1010]

True, thanks

 

[Arachnid Addicted]

I got this guy when he was a sling, it was labeled as Pamphobeteus cf. insignis and until today, I didn't know this species had different locations.

Since he was labeled with "cf". I'm not even sure if he could be what we known in the hobby as P. insignis.

So, here's a pic of him, already mature, hope someone can help me with it.


Tia.

 

[neurotrauma1010]

I have a couple I need input on, I am new and don’t even know what cf means lol

 

[Arachnid Addicted]

I have a couple I need input on, I am new and don’t even know what cf means lol

Cf. means confer, in latin. It basically says I have a possible P. insignis, but I need to check if it is one indeed but looking at taxonomic characters described for the species.

 

[Comatose]

"Confers with" simply means it seems to match the description, but it's largely dependent on who's making that determination. In this case I’m fairly certain these were given that label prior to the rediscovery of the Columbian type locale. Regardless, in practice "cf. insignis" is always the Ecuadorian species that was mislabeled as insignis. They aren't related aside from (probably/maybe) sharing a genus.

 

[neurotrauma1010]

Cf. means confer, in latin. It basically says I have a possible P. insignis, but I need to check if it is one indeed but looking at taxonomic characters described for the species.

Thanks

 

[AphonopelmaTX]

I am beginning to think there is no where to obtain real knowledge

Best statement ever! Very rarely anyone really knows what they are talking about on the internet. Reading about tarantulas on web sites where the content is user generated is like spending time with a group of your know-it-all friends or family. You know, when everyone seems to be an expert on everything leaving you thinking "that doesn't sound right, but I don't know enough to dispute it."

 

[Arachnid Addicted]

"that doesn't sound right, but I don't know enough to dispute it."

Although I also find this thoughts kinda funny, I also find them laughbly ridiculous.
But that is because I don't see this hobby as a dispute, or a contest.
(Not saying anyone on this thread see it as contest/dispute, just stating my opinion).

 

[neurotrauma1010]

Well I am going to try this site even though it to us user generated

 

[Comatose]

Well I am going to try this site even though it to us user generated

AB is probably the best source for reliable information... at least in English. It really comes down to a willingness to spend time reading and researching. There’s a tendency among KIDS TODAY!!! to simply post every question that pops into their heads, and that generates a ton of clutter and bad data. At the very list AB gives you a long and clear history of hobby info that gives you an idea of what might be reliable.

 

[neurotrauma1010]

Exactly this has drawn me to it. Thanks