Paint and Fumigation

[MYSpooder]

Hi - me again worried about my spooders getting DKS.
I have to paint their room but I feel like I can put them in my walk-in closet and it will be fine while paint dries and airs out. Wondering same about fumigating. Some flies and fruit flies made their escape and are thriving on my ceiling some how. I have a hotshot fogger and was hoping someone had advice to doing this and keeping spooders safe. I have 8 jumpers and I can put them in my walk-in in closet and seal door and keep their air purifier running on high. Any thoughts)

 

[Introvertebrate]

I'd get them off the premises until the procedure is done, and everything is aired out.

 

[kingshockey]

best thing you can do is move the entire collection out to a safe house for a few days until your house is completly aired out and free of fumes from both paint and the bug bomb. both bug bomb and paint fumes will get all over

 

[Brewser]

Risky Residuals after Spraying

 

[Ratmosphere]

Ask a family member if they can keep them for the time being.

 

[fcat]

The safest would be bait traps

I suggest searching the forum, lot of experiences to learn from here

Do you have other pets?

 

[Andrew Clayton]

Hi - me again worried about my spooders getting DKS.
I have to paint their room but I feel like I can put them in my walk-in closet and it will be fine while paint dries and airs out. Wondering same about fumigating. Some flies and fruit flies made their escape and are thriving on my ceiling some how. I have a hotshot fogger and was hoping someone had advice to doing this and keeping spooders safe. I have 8 jumpers and I can put them in my walk-in in closet and seal door and keep their air purifier running on high. Any thoughts)

Definitely move them out the house or if that's not an option to the furthest point in the house away from where this is all happening.

 

[Tarantuland]

I know someone who used a fogger in a shed and the next year put a dubia colony in there and all the dubia died

 

[fcat]

I've seen posts here where the neighbors treated for pests and it killed their Ts

 

[The Snark]

@HooahArmy Right up your alley.
I've been meaning to ask, how common is the use of DDVPs (et al, dichlorvos) these days? I know about the uproar and ban, but my understanding it the crap is still used throughout many aspects of manufacturing to the present. I am aware of how thorough and rigorous the FDA is about use and testing - pardon the sarcasm - but a tremendous amount of manufactured goods all or in components come from overseas where things are a little more lax and fragrant grease often runs the show in the approvals processes.
(Got an organism problem cutting into your profits? Dichlors will fix that pronto! I noticed mold and mildew resistant paints oddly had the stuff in the MSDS data sheet. Page 17, at the bottom in 1/2 point type, May Contain no more than....That's a little weird. )

Dichlorvos (EHC 79, 1988)

 

[HooahArmy]

Howdy there! @The Snark
Depending on your nation, DDVPs are seeing continued use, restricted use, or a full-on ban. In the US for example, there is restricted use (such as no crop use specifically), but the stuff can still be found in some niche markets in the form of pest strips, washes, and etc where folks are still to today reporting adverse affect from being around. Full bans are in France, and other nations have banned the stuff from being imported and manufactured. However, in numerous Asian nations, South and Central America, Africa, and some European nations, you can still find it quite readily on the market. The world is taking its sweet time to comprehend and grasp its toxic effects and makng slow progress to phase it out.

 

[The Snark]

@HooahArmy A product of our modern times and lifestyle. A powerful pesticidal chemical that can spread microparticulates over vast distances and can persist in the environment for months or even years depending on what it has been combined with. How ridiculous can they get?
Then people wonder why their Ts died, or rejoice in their house being insect free.

 

[HooahArmy]

@HooahArmy A product of our modern times and lifestyle. A powerful pesticidal chemical that can spread microparticulates over vast distances and can persist in the environment for months or even years depending on what it has been combined with. How ridiculous can they get?
Then people wonder why their Ts died, or rejoice in their house being insect free.

Stuff like this is the reason why new generations develop so many disorders. I remember the days when lead, asbestos, and ozone-depleting chemicals were everywhere. My mom recalls DDT ads that say 'safe around the whole family!' and the infamous 'cigarettes are good for mom and baby!' campaigns.

 

[The Snark]

Stuff like this is the reason why new generations develop so many disorders.

Travelling the countryside in Indoinesia. Large containers on the side of the road. It took me hours of wracking my brain then some research. We don't use DDT! It's gone.
That stuff is...... studying carefully, just dichlorodiphenyltrichloroethane. Right. Like the average salesperson or farmer can work their way through that one.

A study done by HSU in northern Calif. Decline of a certain raptor. Thin egg shells and very high infant motality rate. And DDT hadn't been used for decades within 100 miles of that valley.

 

[HooahArmy]

Travelling the countryside in Indoinesia. Large containers on the side of the road. It took me hours of wracking my brain then some research. We don't use DDT! It's gone.
That stuff is...... studying carefully, just dichlorodiphenyltrichloroethane. Right. Like the average salesperson or farmer can work their way through that one.

A study done by HSU in northern Calif. Decline of a certain raptor. Thin egg shells and very high infant motality rate. And DDT hadn't been used for decades within 100 miles of that valley.

DDT, like many other persistent organic pesticides or inorganic ones have a tendency to leech into the environment and stay there, so literally nothing is safe. I could be a recluse in the middle of nowhere like my father and still get exposed, since who is to say that a farm doesn't have runoff that local critters eat and are subsequently eaten by bigger critters?
Apex predators like raptors tend to accumulate the most pesticides in their bodies since they gather it up from all the critters they're eating. I started avoiding the consumption of certain wildcaught fish because of that, but with how widespread chemical pollution is, not even veggies are safe.
I suppose I'll just curl up and croak now...

 

[The Snark]

since who is to say that a farm doesn't have runoff

Runoff extreme exemplified. Water hyacinth and other aquatic plants grow so fast in the rivers and canals in SE Asia it requires long front excavators to clear them every two to four years. The cause; wet rice. The most common rice grown in the region. Fields get flooded then excess drains back into the waterways. And every farmer knows ammonium nitrate automatically yields higher yield in the paddies. Backpack powered particulate sprayers are now the industry standard in the region.
And the ridiculous, they simply dump the removed plant material along the banks of the rivers. Active compost unused and ignored by the thousands of tons. Then wonder why the vegetation on the river banks grows so fast.

 

[MYSpooder]

The safest would be bait traps

I suggest searching the forum, lot of experiences to learn from here

Do you have other pets?

I have two dogs.

Risky Residuals after Spraying

The house will be cleaned from residue from both.

Ask a family member if they can keep them for the time being.

Hilarious - they don’t live here and if they did they’d absolutely not allow it. Looks like hotel room it is!

 

[The Snark]

Stuff like this is the reason why new generations develop so many disorders. I remember the days when lead, asbestos, and ozone-depleting chemicals were everywhere. My mom recalls DDT ads that say 'safe around the whole family!' and the infamous 'cigarettes are good for mom and baby!' campaigns.

You forgot all the beneficial uses of mercury compounds.Remember Mercurochrome for those cuts and scrapes in every medicine cabinet?

 

[HooahArmy]

You forgot all the beneficial uses of mercury compounds.Remember Mercurochrome for those cuts and scrapes in every medicine cabinet?

When my mother was younger, folks used to be able to buy asbestos 'snow' to sprinkle around your kids and house for the holidays. Good times!
Here's a picture:

https://fibresafe.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/post-history-of-asbestos1.jpg

 

[The Snark]

asbestos 'snow'

Once went in to dismantle some electronic equipment from an abandoned airport control tower. Full hazmay suit, taped, and SCBA.
Took the equipment out and spread it out on the old passanger loading pad. Then ARFF came up and fogged the pile - and us - washing the runoff over a cliff.
Couldn't help but wonder what about the people who worked in that tower for the 30 years it was in service.

That tower is till there. They don't know what to doi with it or how to dismantle and dispose of it. Interior walls falling apart, asbestos exposed everywhere.