P. subfusca picture

[Aboreal Rayne]

Nice Subfusca...

Metallica,
Nice photo of the Subfusca!! God looks like a giant wolf-spider!!
Next to P. Metallica, that's next on my list!! Agian, nice spider man...

~Rayne~

 

[Jakob]

So do you guys think my "subfusca" is male or female ?? Thanks!

Jake

 

[looseyfur]

I am no expert

I am leaning towards femal the more I look ashame the closer vertral shot didnt come out.

on the other hand I am wondering who you purchased from...



looseyfur

 

[Jakob]

Sounds good so far

 

[Inuleki]

well... i wonder why i haven't seen any name of the people who are selling the MisId'd Peocs.... if you don't want to post the name, i think it would probly be a good idea for the people who have paid exhorbitant amount of money for the wrong spider to compare who they got them from, any see if there is a pattern, then do some people a favor and let others know....

just a thought, and like I said, I haven't seen any names, but someone may have posted about it and i missed it, so if my6 thoughts are redundant, i beg forgiveness.

-Joshua

 

[Jakob]

I bought it from a friend for a very low price, but not low enough to be nearly good for a fasciata.

Now I don't know where he got it from but I will definitely ask him!

I'd appreciate some input on the sex of this T...thanks!

Jake

 

[Inuleki]

that's cool... just thought, ya know, with how much this has been going on lately that I've heard of....

 

[Code Monkey]

What I'm wondering at this point is if ANY of the subfusca that went around the past several months in the U.S. were legit. Because it's on my most wanted list of Ts but I'm not about to drop the money on them at this point until we get a genuinely certified batch.

 

[Jakob]

Yea...I'm rather mad about this...I contacted my friend about it of course...I'll see what he has to say about it.

So now...someone please reply with a thought about the sex of my T...thank you!

Jake

 

[vulpina]

Not a subfusca, but a nice spider nonetheless.

Andy

 

[Immortal_sin]

Originally posted by Code Monkey
What I'm wondering at this point is if ANY of the subfusca that went around the past several months in the U.S. were legit. Because it's on my most wanted list of Ts but I'm not about to drop the money on them at this point until we get a genuinely certified batch.

me too.....I"m feeling the same way. I am willing to pay, but not unless I know it really IS subfusca.
Way too expensive otherwise!

 

[LaRiz]

Originally posted by Code Monkey
What I'm wondering at this point is if ANY of the subfusca that went around the past several months in the U.S. were legit. Because it's on my most wanted list of Ts but I'm not about to drop the money on them at this point until we get a genuinely certified batch.

I've seen some early instar Poecilotheria subfusca for sale, and yes, they are P. subfusca. I sold a couple s'lings myself. There are a bunch of legit P. subfusca floating around.
All this talk about some dealers pawning off the less pricey Poecs as the more high-end Poecs is new to me, really. Old school dealers would sell you exactly what you wanted.
Let's face it, there are some dealers nowadays that don't know their sh!7. Poecilotheria subfusca slings are far easier to distinguish from other members of the genus, as compared to species like fasciata and regalis at early instars. Also, when a dealer buys a wholesale lot of P. subfusca, they should immediately know upon reciept that they have what they paid good money for (the last time I checked P. subfusca would be considered "high-end"). And having paid "good coin" for these, most would keeps tabs on their investments (not mixing them up within a cache of unlabeled vials). Is it the breeders that are flim-flammin', or is it the dealers?
In the past I could see and understand the usual regalis/fasciata mistake, but not with subfusca, and not at this frequency. It just seems like someones doing it with intent now.
Most important is to buy from a reputable and well versed (in tarantulas, if that's what you're buying) dealer, or seller. I've been seeing a lot of reptile dealers with the gleam of money in their beady eyes and putting inverts on their tables 'cause they see how well some of the tarantula/invert dealers are doing. These people have no other intent but to make money. For us (arachnoculturists), it's the hobby, then make money, in that order. That's how I think it should be, and that's how I've always looked at it.
If you want a P. subfusca and are willing to pay over $80 for it, do you know what it looks like?
john

 

[Aboreal Rayne]

lariz..

You raise many good points Lariz. Like if you want to buy one, do you even know what it looks like? This of course brings up issues of the infamous Pokie-chart. But you are correct, I get the impression that someone is delibratly making false pokie sales. Everyone that buys a Pokie, that's not from a dealer, needs to go over it VERY well... All I know is he/she that's doing it better hope to God they don't run into me... Just some thoughts.

~Rayne~

 

[Code Monkey]

Unfortunately, since most of these sales have been via long distance orders and subfusca is so new in the U.S., taking advantage of people has been very easy for whoever actually propogated this mess. Someone in the chain of events did so deliberately and although LaRiz raises a good point about the newness of many of the dealers who passed them on unknowingly, the fact is that many of us out here aren't real good at dealing with slings for IDing purposes.

I know I couldn't tell a subfusca sling definitively as I've never seen one in person, and the definitive characters are kept strangely secret in the hobby as AR points out. Thank goodness for resources like this website because it has revealed the deception far earlier than would have happened otherwise.

 

[tarantulakeeper]

Martin Huber has some really good spiderling pictures of p. subfusca at www.spiderpix.com

 

[metallica]

you can't ID small Poecilotheria spiderlings with his Chart!

how right you are Martin!

ps what happened to your hair (avatar)

Eddy:}

 

[Code Monkey]

Originally posted by Martin H.
if this is a side blow on Søren – sorry, but it isn't a good one because you can't ID small Poecilotheria spiderlings with his Chart! désolé! =;-)

How would I know? He kicked me out of the group before I ever got a look at it. Oh wait, that's not a side blow anymore

Besides, without going down that road again, please note that I wasn't involved in any sort of Soren bashing beyond saying I was ticked off at being kicked out of TDP for no reason. I'd sound just like you about people saying any sort of negative things about him except for that.

 

[Code Monkey]

Originally posted by Martin H.
Have you never seen small spiderlings of different Poecilotheria sp. before? If you would have, you would know!

I have and they largely all look alike to my unpracticed eye. Not having seen the chart, I didn't know if it had any of the characters that distinguish them (e.g. the white patella that indicates miranda).

New world species are what I know best (having had little to no interest in old worlders until the past year).

As a constructive observation, I think that responsible dealers should do something along the lines of jewelry dealers do with gems and post the info to tell if the high end spider you got is a high end spider. Getting that sort of info into the general populace would do a lot to inhibit someone from trying to make a fast buck in the future.

 

[Jakob]

So uhm...let me ask for the 4th or so time...what sex do you think my "subfusca" is? I know you can't 100% tell without a molt but it's worth a shot...thanks!

Jake

 

[Martin H.]

Originally posted by Code Monkey

I have and they largely all look alike to my unpracticed eye. Not having seen the chart, I didn't know if it had any of the characters that distinguish them (e.g. the white patella that indicates miranda).

so you are commenting about and argueing with things you don't know what's their content? =;-p

Anyway, the whole "wrong Poecilotheria species selling" reminds me at a dealer, who is to my humble knowledge selling a wrong Xenesthis species. But no reaction from him, when he was told that the spiderlings he is selling are a different species (or maybe colour morph – with tarantulas you never know *g*) than the adults according to his advertisement allegedly look like! See also this thread: >>click here<<
I even get no more reaction on private mails I sent him. *hmmm...*

all the best,
Martin