P. Liosoma unhealthy.

[Jaygnar]

Today i was talking to my buddy dale online and he sent me a pic of a scorp he bought online. He says it's a P' liosoma. Anyway, one of the pics he sent shows something that I think has gotta be wrong. He said he couldn't return it cause he bought it like a week ago. Any Ideas?

 

[TheNothing]

it is a P. liosoma
and it definately has somthing there... parasite would be my first guess... rather ulcerous...

 

[Jaygnar]

Wow, That sucks. Are there any treatments that I could tell him about? Anybody know if this will probably be fatal?

 

[Gsc]

Almost all the P. liosoma in the hobby are WC imports. Most live with the problems in the wild...captivity does stress them alittle (ie importers, pet stores, etc.), but I'd say wait it out...there's not really that much you can do for them... I wish i had a better answer for ya buddy! Sorry!

 

[parabuthus]

I've never seen that kind of (black) ulcer infection on the pleural membrane before.

Is the scorp being kept in dry conditions? Because it should be. Could be a fungal infection that has turned a bit nastier. Nice looking scorp otherwise...

 

[parabuthus]

Also, tailing it for a picture is not going to do the scorp any good in terms of stress .

 

[Jaygnar]

@ Parabuthus- Thank You!! I told him not to hold them suspended by the tail like that! I don't know about the conditions it was kept in, first time I saw it was today when he sent me these pics. I'll ask him if I talk to him tomorrow.

 

[Jaygnar]

I talked to Dale today and he's currently keeping the little guy on comlpetely dry substrata with no misting or humidity that he can control. Hopefully, the sore will just take care of itself. He told me that there has been a clear watery substance coming out of its mouth area, and it stays pressed up against the glass of its enclosure most of the time. That can't be good. I realy hope this little fella makes it. He has a female and had high hopes of breeding them. I just don't know. It's a sad thing to watch a scorp like this die slowly. All I can do is hope that he makes it.
Thanks for all your help and support.
I will let you all know how this turns out.
Jason

 

[brachy]

Hi all!!!
I read this two things:
a, The P. liosoma can squirt the venom
b, The piosoma cant squirt the venom.
What is the true?? How stron is its venom??

 

[Prymal]

Brachy-

I've been keeping Parabuthus spp. for more than few years and have yet to observe any of them actually 'spray' (aerosolize) venom as a defensive weapon. I've subjected specimens to every type of non-harmful attack imaginable (prodding, grasping, etc.), and to date, none have elected to aim and expel venom directly at the threat stimulus.
However, when a confrontation occurs, Parabuthus spp. become quickly and highly aggitated and during this period, several drops of clear pre-venom (rarely, transitory venom as well) is expelled from the aculeus; retained upon the external surface of the telson and during rapid articulations of the powerful metasoma, the pre-venom is sent airborne in a random, non-directed "spray" of venom droplets. This occurrence (I believe) is the basis for the venom-spraying ability of this group of scorpions.

Luc

 

[parabuthus]

It is well documented that P. transvaalicus can infact spray venom a number of feet in defence. I've seen this on a television program, the process was filmed. I am not sure if any other Parabuthus can do this (?).

But yeah, perhaps with most parabuthus scorps there is so much venom dripping from their aculeus that when they bang their metasoma it is launched into the air, not squirted or sprayed.

I know people have documented Hadrurus arizonensis as having spraying/squirting capability, but in my experience and observation this is not true. Simply, if they get stressed or overly excited venom will drip from their aculeus, and if they sense any threat (air movement, vibrations) they will bang their metasoma at the possible threat and thus small drops of venom will be flicked off as a result. Not squirted or sprayed.

 

[Prymal]

Parabuthus-

I am in no way doubting your observation in regards to what you've seen on a documentary. However, I'm just skeptical in regards to the validity of the claim. Based on my own personal experiments and communications with others (e.g. Lorenzo Prendini).
I've subjected specimens of P. liosoma, mossambicensis and transvaalicus to every type of possible stimuli imaginable to simulate various forms of attack and to date, not a single specimen has exhibited this defensive behavior and until I see actual research in a peer-reviewed journal, I'm going to have to remain skeptical in regards to the aerosolizing of venom by the members of any scorpion taxa including Hadrurus, Parabuthus, Urodacus, etc.

Best Regards,
Luc

 

[parabuthus]

And you are correct to be skeptical, since you keep these species and have observed their behaviour first hand. I have not and am going on second hand information currently.

 

[brachy]

Hi
Thank you for answers. Im very happy . I need some dictioranies for decode it . Very nice species. I would like this specie but i think is to hard for than beginar as me, but my 3th spider was P. murinus. Once must begin.

 

[fusion121]

Brachy-

I've been keeping Parabuthus spp. for more than few years and have yet to observe any of them actually 'spray' (aerosolize) venom as a defensive weapon. I've subjected specimens to every type of non-harmful attack imaginable (prodding, grasping, etc.), and to date, none have elected to aim and expel venom directly at the threat stimulus.
However, when a confrontation occurs, Parabuthus spp. become quickly and highly aggitated and during this period, several drops of clear pre-venom (rarely, transitory venom as well) is expelled from the aculeus; retained upon the external surface of the telson and during rapid articulations of the powerful metasoma, the pre-venom is sent airborne in a random, non-directed "spray" of venom droplets. This occurrence (I believe) is the basis for the venom-spraying ability of this group of scorpions.

Luc

Hi
I've never seen the spraying behaviour in my specimens and I know that people who have kept Parabuthus species for a long time have also never seen it. However I have also read first hand accounts of this behaviour from people who keep this species that say spraying does occur. Leeming who I guess has seen allot of these species natural behaviour also says that spraying does occur, I've seen unintentional venom flicking from other species and I'm dubious as to whether it would be mistaken for an actual spraying behaviour by an observant person.

 

[TheNothing]

Other than P. transvaalicus and P. mossambicensis, it won't happen. But there has been published info about the first too...

while neither of my P. trans have sprayed, i've also done my best not to provoke such behavior.