Our Chicken Hunting Spider Thread

[kap]

"How do you know? You can tell from 1 picture of a ~4" male?

And it could still be simply a type of P. antinous.

If that's not a P. antinous, and is indeed what your calling "sp. backfire"... then a crapload of what we have in the U.S. is just that.... as this came from a P. antinous shipment that was distributed to quite a few individuals."


We are discussing about pictures and it is evident that our point or view are only supposition and not scientific affirmation. That is the purpose of a forum.

So, the pix you show looks a lot to my Pamphp sp Back fire...but can also be the famous chicken hunting spider, or antinous, or another sp...who knows...

From what have and have noticed, I can say that in the juvenile stade, antinous has red hairs all around the abdomen and sp backfire just a spot of red haires at the bottom of the abdomen.
In the adult stade, sp back fire seem to be biger than antinous.

I have antinous male, female and slings } I'll try to post some pix (Sp back fire and sp Rio Negro too).

Kap

 

[Taki F&T]

So come on guys, put a handful of those slings together and see if they are communal!

 

[M.F.Bagaturov]

Hello guys!

Very nice discussion!
Just to remind You that Your mentioned here P. sp. "backfire" was described as P. petersi by Schmidt.
Eric, do You have the P. petersi description?

 

[Le Wasp]

Wow, this is an old thread. One would think we'd have made more progress by now on the species...

 

[Steveyruss]

Will this species ever be available?

 

[Merfolk]

The picture of the adult specimen with smaller ones around reminds me a lot of those pics where you see communal M balfouri.

 

[desertdweller]

I'm seeing more information about communal T's of different sp. i wonder if this is a new trend or just our learning about it. Also see so many photos circulating around the web about interspecies no-aggression and play. I love it. Now if the sp called "homo sapiens" could just do the same.

Incredible thread here. Even though we have wild T's here in AZ it seems normal and the idea of other wild T's is totally exciting.

 

[kap]

:clap:

Hello guys!

Very nice discussion!
Just to remind You that Your mentioned here P. sp. "backfire" was described as P. petersi by Schmidt.
Eric, do You have the P. petersi description?

You're right ! Back fire = petersi (now)
Not sure it was described as petersi in 2005

Only just a few pampho waiting to be descrided...sp Santo Domingo, sp Rio Negro, sp Ecuador Sp II Ecuador, Sp Peru, Sp Brazil, Sp Catspider...


Kap

 

[M.F.Bagaturov]

No, most of them the same just sold under the different names...
There were some study on the genus was already conducted, so not many were newly described, even some "famous dealers" claim they all are different.
Look here time to time: http://tarantulas.tropica.ru/en/node/566

 

[kap]

Humm... sure various sp are certainly same sp but ,for example, SP Rio Ecuador, sp Peru and sp santo Domingo do not seem at all to others sp.

Thanks for the link.

 

[M.F.Bagaturov]

HEllo kap!

Maybe You're right with them, but what features exactly forms the differences? THat's the question, except coloration, as these "locality" they're claim to originate from just maybe a matter of dealers for better selling as other "new" stuff...

 

[AlanMM]

That's very interesting. First time I hear of a Phampobeteus sp. rio negro.

Last year in october I went to brazilian jungle at river rio negro, more specific to the point were the amazon river meets the rio negro, and over there I saw lots of this species:

Here are some more pictures of it, at a bigger size so i just placed links.

http://www.alanmommerency.be/wallpapers/Theraposid%201%20-%20amazone%20-%20brazili%EB.jpg

http://www.alanmommerency.be/wallpapers/Theraposid%202%20-%20amazone%20-%20brazili%EB.jpg

Anyone got more info on these ones? Now i can be almost sure it's a Pamphobeteus sp. ?

Hi Mikhail, I mailed that guy (can't remember his name) in Brazil for this, but never got an answer back...

 

[AlanMM]

O wait, i better start a new thread about this...

 

[kap]

Hi Alan,

Nice pix and nice site !

The sp Rio Negro I had were quite different = entirely brown and quite large.

I bought them in Birmingham (UK) a few years ago and I have been told that the guy who sold them has now left to South America, so I have not precision of the exact locality where they were caught.

Kap

 

[AlanMM]

Hi Alan,

Nice pix and nice site !

The sp Rio Negro I had were quite different = entirely brown and quite large.

I bought them in Birmingham (UK) a few years ago and I have been told that the guy who sold them has now left to South America, so I have not precision of the exact locality where they were caught.

Kap

OK! Thanks for the info.

 

[M.F.Bagaturov]

Hello Alan and Kap!

Strange that You don't got the responce from the Rogerio as he had doing the work on Brazilian Pampho's that time. (
As for the poss. Rio Negro species it is maybe we just need for the official publication as Bertani at al already done the work. Here's the brief summary from my site:
"The ten species nowadays accepted in the genus Pamphobeteus (P. antinous, P. augusti, P. ferox, P. fortis, P. insignis, P. nigricolor, P. ornatus, P. petersi, P. ultramarinus and P. vespertinus) are distributed in northerwestern South American. The genus is more specious in Colombia and Ecuador, in the Andes mountain range and none species of Pamphobeteus was yet recorded for Brazil.
Thus, according to the announce by the work of the Brazilian arachnologists - Bertani, R.; C.S. Fukushima and P.I. Silva Júnior, they describe two new Pamphobeteus species from northwestern Brazil (the first species is from Brazil - states of Acre, Rondônia, Mato Grosso and second - from Brazilian Amazonas) and gave a record for P. nigricolor in the state of Amazonas. The new species are closely related to P. antinous due to the wide concave/convex embolus shape and the huge size of the specimens."
More are found here: http://tarantulas.tropica.ru/en/node/566
Hope this helps

 

[AlanMM]

Hello Alan and Kap!

Strange that You don't got the responce from the Rogerio as he had doing the work on Brazilian Pampho's that time. (
As for the poss. Rio Negro species it is maybe we just need for the official publication as Bertani at al already done the work. Here's the brief summary from my site:
"The ten species nowadays accepted in the genus Pamphobeteus (P. antinous, P. augusti, P. ferox, P. fortis, P. insignis, P. nigricolor, P. ornatus, P. petersi, P. ultramarinus and P. vespertinus) are distributed in northerwestern South American. The genus is more specious in Colombia and Ecuador, in the Andes mountain range and none species of Pamphobeteus was yet recorded for Brazil.
Thus, according to the announce by the work of the Brazilian arachnologists - Bertani, R.; C.S. Fukushima and P.I. Silva Júnior, they describe two new Pamphobeteus species from northwestern Brazil (the first species is from Brazil - states of Acre, Rondônia, Mato Grosso and second - from Brazilian Amazonas) and gave a record for P. nigricolor in the state of Amazonas. The new species are closely related to P. antinous due to the wide concave/convex embolus shape and the huge size of the specimens."
More are found here: http://tarantulas.tropica.ru/en/node/566
Hope this helps

Thanks Mikhail, P nigricolor in Amazonas, interesting... Will try to contact them again.

 

[Snakeman4life]

So is Pamphobeteus platyomma considered an undescribed species?

 

[AlanMM]

So is Pamphobeteus platyomma considered an undescribed species?

Gen. Pamphobeteus Pocock, 1901 [urn:lsid:amnh.org:spidergen:00261]

Transferred to other genera:

P. platyomma Mello-Leitão, 1923 -- see Vitalius.

From http://research.amnh.org/entomology/spiders/catalog/THERAPHOSIDAE.html

 

[M.F.Bagaturov]

And yet again for the xxxx time.
The hobby "Pamphobeteus sp. platyomma" was never = P. platyomma Mello-Leitão, 1923!
It was wrong Id'ed and since that was found it was considered as un-ID'ed species!
So V. wacketi has nothing in common with the hobby "Pamphobeteus sp. platyomma" except the prices of some dealers...
The real V. wacketi is NOT in hobby yet in Europe and USA as I think too.