Oraniensis Vs. Canidens

[Androctonus_bic]

A coulple of days ago, I was reading a steven's post about Europena centipedes. And suddenly some questions assault my mind. Let's see:

1-Is present S. oraniensis in the Mediterranean part of Spain?

2-How can I difference it of S. canidens?

3-Have this species any subspecie?

And another question not related:

4-There exist any specie of scolopendromorpha in the Pirinees mountain?

Cheers
Carles

 

[Steven]

1-Is present S. oraniensis in the Mediterranean part of Spain?

yes, you can check the distribution here:
scolopendra.be
or if you need more references, check this
faunaeur.org

2-How can I difference it of S. canidens?

very hard, Sc.oraniensis used to be a subspec. of Sc.canidens

3-Have this species any subspecie?

see number 2

4-There exist any specie of scolopendromorpha in the Pirinees mountain?

not so sure but i would guess Sc.cingulata ? :?

 

[Androctonus_bic]

But the "legal" status say that they are different species right? Scolopendra taxonomy are full of error, holes and supositions. We need a revision in all genus. I'm totally confused again.

Thanks Steven.

 

[Androctonus_bic]

Ok, in spain we can count 3 Scolopendra sp.
-S. cingulata
-S. oraniensis
-S. valida ( Canary island)

(Also the sp. that can be found in the Ceuta and Melilla, Moroccan territory)

And what happen with canidens? I tought that also exist in spain... but if you see this site... http://www.scolopendra.be/scolopendra_more.php?specie_id=21&query=$query&page=$back_page&limit=$limit Say the opposite thing, in spain all the bibliografie of scolopendra sp. are refered to canidens cingulata and sometimes to valida. What I have to believe?

Cheers
Carles

 

[Steven]

And what happen with canidens? I tought that also exist in spain... but if you see this site...

I also thought canidens was more widely spread in the medditerean sea-area, but after some reserach on sites like this
http://chilobase.bio.unipd.it/search/result_species.php?906&post
http://www.faunaeur.org/full_results.php?id=151805
and with some of the publications found in my reference list i made the distribution map of Sc.canidens.

(PS: i first thought the specimens i've caught in Mallorca with Paco
were canidens,... but after close inspection at home they all seem Sc.oraniensis,... some years back i also encountered the same types of orange/small scolopendrids (oraniensis) nearby Barcelona

in spain all the bibliografie of scolopendra sp. are refered to canidens cingulata and sometimes to valida. What I have to believe?

I'm very interested in those Bibliographies,... could ya send them to me or point me out where to get them ?
would love to have a look at those.

 

[Androctonus_bic]

Ok. Thanks.

The bibliography is very short. Usually the Scolopendra sp. bibliography that I have found, comes from internet. In the books, ( and in a lot of places of internet) the info I found are about anathomy and not about taxonomy or distribution.

One of the best info pages in spain is it ( Barcelona university). It is just a practis.

http://www.ub.es/crba/artropodes3/artropodes3.htm

Sometimes S.morsitans is also found in the spanish pages (but just in the pages).

S. valida doesn't exist in spanish pages. I knew it after read it here.

S. canidens can be found like S. canidens oraniensis, but is rare to find ( Sometimes confused with L. forficatus...:wall: )

Spain is different... stupiddly differnt!!!!

Somebody adopt me?

Cheers
Carles

P.D: Do you understand now my confusion?