Opinions vs Pokies

[TpleaseForMe]

I started in hobby last june 18ths and I have 16 T's including 2 t stirmi's mf and a mm I'm breeding atm, p. Regalis just got her mf; mf p. Pederseni. Witch I got from a dude who didn't know what he had and that was my 2nd or 3rd t first ow and first pokie. I have few C.marshali and 1c. Darlingi and some more average ones like b vagans and n. Chromatus c. Faimbrituis and p. Cambridedgi. A lot of my tarantulas I would not advice just abunch of mine I would not advice any contact with and being extremely respectful of there space because they are quick and can do damage quickly if your being dumb I personally think getting a defensive T early taught me the whole space issue because I did get bit from being dumb by my p. Pederseni. First t was a b. Albo and he loved coming out and playing and stuff but honestly aslong as respectful I think I p. Metallica is awesome t to get wiether its your 2nd or 80th just be respectful and personally on holding I rather hold my 10.5inch + female t. Stirmi before my 7inch p. Regalis my big girl is very calm and doesn't threat posture and rarely kicks hairs but either way pokies venom is stronger then a lot of other tarantulas venom and just personally will not be dumb around them anymore and advice no one else to learn from other peoples mistakes please haha

 

[Cydaea]

I've had T's for 14 years (12 of those I only had a rosea so I'm not sure that counts...) but I know I'm not ready for OW's yet. There are a few I'd like to have in the future (P.met being my holy grail) but I'm working my way up to them. I've recently acquired two P.irminias, and hope they can prepare me for the combination of speed and defensiveness. I'm not afraid of them per se, but I do know that sudden movements may startle me and cause problems for me and/or the T. I don't handle my T's unless they happen to stroll out of their enclosure or something, I'm quite happy with just looking at them. Also, maintenance is done with tools and minimal contact so I've got that down.

Other people might be different, though and know that they're ready very early on.

 

[Poec54]

I think you are completely exaggerating the difficulty of keeping Pokies Poec54. Are they quicker than some? Is the bite a worse? Sure, but they are not that difficult to care for and with proper research a person can certainly start with one as their first tarantula.

It's the combination of speed, temper, and venom that make Poecs a very poor choice for a first T. That's what can end up getting T's regulated or banned. A mistake in underestimating a Brachypelma is very different than with a Poecilotheria. Less margin for error, and a higher price to pay. You can read all you want, but when one suddenly races up your arm and inside your shirt, it's a whole different thing. Do the people you live with also know and accept the risks of an escaped T? People need to look beyond themselves and see the bigger picture. That's the common thread with people that get animals that are beyond their skill/experience level; it's always 'It's just me, I know the risks.' The reality is there's always other people involved, directly or indirectly.

Personally, I don't care if a T owner gets bit, especially if they were doing something stupid with them; actually it can be hilarious. Just desserts. It's not so funny if other people in the house get bitten by a loose T. And the media and politicians pretty much take a dim view of animals that bite, and with something as inherently unpopular as spiders, we don't have a lot of people on our side to begin with. When they see pictures of people with live tarantulas on their faces, there's the tendency to think that the entire hobby lacks the responsibility and intelligence to own these animals. Let's not give them more ammunition. Like many things in life, you can self-police, or eventually someone will do it for you, with a heavy hand.

 

[spiderengineer]

As a matter of fact, I have a co-worker that has been keeping Ts for years, but was telling me about how a bite from a Haplopelma lividium can kill a person and how he uses aquarium nets to catch his spiders. I just kind of gave him a funny look. Not trying to brag, I admit to being new and I still have a ton to learn, but I was just kind of amazed...

its amazing sometimes I have met people who will say that have x amount of years under their belt in this hobby, but when I see their setup or how they take care of their T's they are making huge mistakes.

 

[tyrantuladub]

its amazing sometimes I have met people who will say that have x amount of years under their belt in this hobby, but when I see their setup or how they take care of their T's they are making huge mistakes.

Yeah, and this guy wants me to find a Brachypelma vagans for him... I'll get right on that :sarcasm:

 

[rob0t]

It's the combination of speed, temper, and venom that make Poecs a very poor choice for a first T. That's what can end up getting T's regulated or banned. A mistake in underestimating a Brachypelma is very different than with a Poecilotheria. Less margin for error, and a higher price to pay. You can read all you want, but when one suddenly races up your arm and inside your shirt, it's a whole different thing. Do the people you live with also know and accept the risks of an escaped T? People need to look beyond themselves and see the bigger picture. That's the common thread with people that get animals that are beyond their skill/experience level; it's always 'It's just me, I know the risks.' The reality is there's always other people involved, directly or indirectly.

Personally, I don't care if a T owner gets bit, especially if they were doing something stupid with them; actually it can be hilarious. Just desserts. It's not so funny if other people in the house get bitten by a loose T. And the media and politicians pretty much take a dim view of animals that bite, and with something as inherently unpopular as spiders, we don't have a lot of people on our side to begin with. When they see pictures of people with live tarantulas on their faces, there's the tendency to think that the entire hobby lacks the responsibility and intelligence to own these animals. Let's not give them more ammunition. Like many things in life, you can self-police, or eventually someone will do it for you, with a heavy hand.

Do you also suggest every dog owner begin with a toy poodle? Or would it be possible for someone to do some proper research and get a pit bull (or whatever dog you deem to be 'dangerous') as their first dog?

 

[skar]

Do you also suggest every dog owner begin with a toy poodle? Or would it be possible for someone to do some proper research and get a pit bull (or whatever dog you deem to be 'dangerous') as their first dog?

There are no dangerous dogs. Just stupid/ irresponsible owners. 1st

 

[poisoned]

There are no dangerous dogs. Just stupid/ irresponsible owners. 1st

Agreed, but there are dogs that are harder to teach and socialize.

 

[rob0t]

There are no dangerous dogs. Just stupid/ irresponsible owners. 1st

There are dogs capable of hurting people if their owners do not take proper precautions. Same with a lot of pets, tarantulas included.

That is besides the point though. What I was getting at is a properly informed person can take care of a dog that requires more respect and attention just like they could a spider.

 

[freedumbdclxvi]

Personally, I don't care if a T owner gets bit, especially if they were doing something stupid with them; actually it can be hilarious. Just desserts. It's not so funny if other people in the house get bitten by a loose T. And the media and politicians pretty much take a dim view of animals that bite, and with something as inherently unpopular as spiders, we don't have a lot of people on our side to begin with. When they see pictures of people with live tarantulas on their faces, there's the tendency to think that the entire hobby lacks the responsibility and intelligence to own these animals. Let's not give them more ammunition. Like many things in life, you can self-police, or eventually someone will do it for you, with a heavy hand.

yep. not to get too far off topic, but i have seen some threads lately where people were being very lax about T's escaping numerous times. even finding it humorous. to quote peter griffin, that really grinds my gears. it's incredibly irresponsible, and it only takes one screw up to ruin it for everyone.

 

[Poec54]

What I was getting at is a properly informed person can take care of a dog that requires more respect and attention just like they could a spider.

Good try, but apples and oranges. Dogs have been domesticated for tens of thousands of years. You're not taking an animal from the wild; you have a HUGE headstart with something that's been living with humans for hundreds of generations. You can communicate with them, train them, and form a life-long bond. What animal is more loyal? Dogs are highly social animals and consider their human family to be part of their pack. There is no such relationship or understanding with an invertebrate.

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There are no dangerous dogs. Just stupid/ irresponsible owners. 1st

+1. Any dog trainer will tell you that. Just look at how many incredibly intelligent and highly trainable dogs are rescued from shelters. If a dog is dangerous, there's a human involved in it going off track.

 

[rob0t]

I wasn't making an apples to apples comparison. It's obvious, as you pointed out, domesticated animals are a whole differen ball game than tarantulas. What does stand true though is a that a person can do proper research and care for an animal correctly without years of experience. Quality info over quantity every time. There isn't even a point in arguing that fact.

 

[Poec54]

Do you also suggest every dog owner begin with a toy poodle? Or would it be possible for someone to do some proper research and get a pit bull (or whatever dog you deem to be 'dangerous') as their first dog?

It's a mistake to get a 100+ lb dog as a first dog, and then not train it or be able to control it. Research is good, but it's not a substitute for experience and common sense. You can't live these things in a book or in front of a computer screen.

 

[BaddestRuffest]

It's a mistake to get a 100+ lb dog as a first dog, and then not train it or be able to control it. Research is good, but it's not a substitute for experience and common sense. You can't live these things in a book or in front of a computer screen.

Its just a shame sense isn't all that common these days, especially if you spend 20 minutes on YouTube and find idiots handling king baboons and s.cals in an effort to look tough and almost crapping their pants everytime the t moves. Those are the kind of irresponsible owners this hobby does not need.

 

[sbullet]

It shouldn't even be as big an issue as it is. You won't get bit, and even if you do, so what? It will hurt a lot yeah, but you will live another day... Nobody has allergic reactions or anything, so a highly painful bite is just something you will have to deal with.

Basically, if you aren't a pro athlete, or someone who needs to be exerting themselves physically every day at a high level to make a living, you shouldn't have too many substantial probz...

 

[spiderengineer]

It shouldn't even be as big an issue as it is. You won't get bit, and even if you do, so what? It will hurt a lot yeah, but you will live another day... Nobody has allergic reactions or anything, so a highly painful bite is just something you will have to deal with.

while yes you won't die it will suck if its a wet bite just look at the bite reports on them, your logic is basically saying getting stabbed in the arm is no big deal, because you know you will live

 

[sbullet]

Are you joking me, it isn't at all like saying who cares if you get stabbed in the arm-- you'll live. First of all, you may not live getting stabbed in the arm-- that analogy isn't even remotely relatable.

It will hurt, but what else hurts? Being sore after a fall water skiing or snowboarding. -- Same comparison there lol.

Deciding whether or not to own ow species should be as followed, and not require MUCH ELSE THOUGHT at all:
-Do you live with infants or elderly? They may not be as lucky if they are bitten-- however unlikely that situation could arise
-Have you owned a spider or two, and understand how to take proper precautions when feeding THEM?
-Are you mature enough to know not to provoke or handle (although I have no problem with anyone handling species, it is just providing more chances to be bitten)

That's about it... if you couldn't handle being bitten, or believe you would not be able to go on living, then why get one? It's not difficult, and not life or death (or even much at all to actually worry about.. aside from some bad pain).

 

[spiderengineer]

Are you joking me, it isn't at all like saying who cares if you get stabbed in the arm-- you'll live. First of all, you may not live getting stabbed in the arm-- that analogy isn't even remotely relatable.

It will hurt, but what else hurts? Being sore after a fall water skiing or snowboarding. -- Same comparison there lol.

Deciding whether or not to own ow species should be as followed, and not require MUCH ELSE THOUGHT at all:
-Do you live with infants or elderly? They may not be as lucky if they are bitten-- however unlikely that situation could arise
-Have you owned a spider or two, and understand how to take proper precautions when feeding THEM?
-Are you mature enough to know not to provoke or handle (although I have no problem with anyone handling species, it is just providing more chances to be bitten)

That's about it... if you couldn't handle being bitten, or believe you would not be able to go on living, then why get one? It's not difficult, and not life or death (or even much at all to actually worry about.. aside from some bad pain).

like I said read the bite reports from this genus and tell me how no big deal getting bit from one can be.

 

[sbullet]

Who hasn't read the bite reports, or heard other stories of how painful the bite can be. I really don't care what they say-- it will be a bad experience, but that holds true for all ow species, and holds true for anyone who may face an injury of any caliber from any activity. Will not stress this enough, and my opinion won't change however blunt it may be. idk..

 

[spiderengineer]

Who hasn't read the bite reports, or heard other stories of how painful the bite can be. I really don't care what they say-- it will be a bad experience, but that holds true for all ow species, and holds true for anyone who may face an injury of any caliber from any activity. Will not stress this enough, and my opinion won't change however blunt it may be. idk..

so basically who care if they have potent venom and it will suck being bitten, but suck it up and stop being a baby. that about sums it up