I have to agree that putting bans on owning animals isnt really that fair, make people get a license to own them but dont completly ban them. For example in Houston Texas it is Illegal to own any birds, rabbits OR guinie pigs in your house if the outer walls of your house are 100 feet or less away from your neighbors house. It was a ordinance that was put into affect in 1068 but thay are JUST now starting to really inforce it, you get a $300 fine for each of said species you own and are givin a time limit to "get rid" of the pet. and im sorry but bunnies and guinie pigs are not hurting any one.
Not sure if this is where it belongs, but SB 318 ban passed in FL
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Pet owners may not be the main reason for what's happening, but these politicians sure as hell use those freak accidents as ammunition and justification for their agenda. They'll dig them up from the grave to get what they want too.
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Really. Well the Houston area has some weird ordinances anyway.
Vinnyg253: Texas already requires permits and has for awhile. Despite that you see them all the time on craigslist and pet stores. I guarantee most don't know they have to have their permits nor would care to buy them. Common pet trade people do not care nor do they even attempt to look up the laws concerning what they keep. They just see a cute baby snake and buy it. They don't take proper care of it, don't care about it's background/ health before they buy, and then get upset because it outgrew a 10 gallon tank. Then they "rehome" it for twice the value or turn it lose if they can't get the money they want for it.
You have to have a permit to sell and to own any of the large constrictors as well as non native venomous. Now here is another one, you also have to have a breeder/ seller permit for native animals, that is extremely hard to obtain, to sell anything native on the white list. You have to have a hunting license to collect anything on the black or white list and have the special permits if you have more than a certain amount of each native species but again people do not care to take the time to do the research and pet stores are out to make a buck. It's not the hobbyist and breeders I put blame on it's the pet trade. Heck there was a guy on craigslist a month ago selling a common boa for $200 that he found on his street. :wall: Did I mention he was keeping it in his bathroom. Like he spent anything on it or tried to find the owners.
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Ok, here is what does NOT make sense about some laws around here. I live in Kalamazoo MI, and they have a law on the books about not being allowed to posses Crocodillians. Besides the risk factor, it makes no sense! It gets well below freezing here and there is no way they could survive. And how in the world did the hobbyists, "bring this upon ourselves"? Did we as a collective bring it upon ourselves? The HSUS and the like relies on fear and propaganda to make us look like evil doers.
i am a florida resident and know much of this entire thing. a good friend of mine just had to get rid of his anacondas because FWC couldn't make up their mind on wither or not they were even on the list. that is how vague this list and this law is. when it comes down to it, it is up to the officer to decide. it is very frustrating.
as for the permits, in 2009 they implimented a permiting system for any ROC animals. it only lasted a year before they decided on the ban. to get a permit, you had to have an escape proof room and have the animal micro-chipped. kinda convenient to make a permiting system and have people register their animals to only then ban them......now they know who has them.
as for the permits, in 2009 they implimented a permiting system for any ROC animals. it only lasted a year before they decided on the ban. to get a permit, you had to have an escape proof room and have the animal micro-chipped. kinda convenient to make a permiting system and have people register their animals to only then ban them......now they know who has them.
Wonder what their faces would be like if they saw a freezer full of rabbits and guinnie pigs? lol
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More on laws making no sense: Does anyone know what the justification is for not being allowed to keep exotic venomous excluding rear-fanged in AZ? I just don't see a risk factor with exotic venomous snakes escaping and establishing themselves in a desert scrub. Is it plain old paranoia? I don't think I can even obtain a license to keep them in a private collection from what I remember reading.
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From what I understand a licence is required for any exotic venomous snakes. The licence is nearly impossible to get. I guess it's the fear of exotics getting loose and breeding in the wild. It has nothing to do with puplic safety. You can keep rattle snakes??? but no exotics.
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I don't see anything surviving out there for long. Even if someone releases a load of desert-dwelling exotic vipers, there's not exactly an unused niche for them to take advantage of. And the tropical species are absolutely ridiculous to ban. They won't make it past a week at best. It's frustrating to me. Maybe I should move to New Mexico.
We are allowed to keep stuff like Boiga species at least.
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These people are called "Posers".
Posers are people who try to join a certain group of people by action and appearance alone. They have no genuine purpose besides their own public appearance.
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Unfortunately, lawmakers pander almost exclusively to what the (ignorant) general public likes the sound of, with no concern for the possible implications. After all, if it creates more problems, we'll need to elect someone to fix them. At any rate, posers or not, the negative image of the hobby resulting from irresponsible herp owners just adds fuel to fire among a public that already by and large is fearful/hateful and ignorant about reptiles. (As mentioned before, there's irresponsible owners in EVERY sect of pet ownership, but it looks worse when it's animals people already fear and misunderstand) Between that and fear-mongering by special interest groups about "zomgz the invasive snakes will eat your babies and chihuahuas" I'm honestly kindof shocked this law didn't come to pass sooner.
I wonder, how many of the people who were in the snake sales business just for the $$ (not for the love of snakes) will dump their now-worthless stock? I recall the Australia koi ban and read a few articles mentioning even MORE koi showing up in the waters after it was passed, probably because people with fish that get huge and sell for thousands suddenly had big expensive-to-care-for fish that weren't sellable, and figured letting them go was a favorable alternative to fines or killing them.
At any rate, I still stand firmly by us needing to do more than stomp our feet and complain to our fellow herpkeepers every time a law comes up, but really get out there in the public and educate. It's the only way to fight the kind of ignorance that is probably going to get our animals banned, confiscated, and killed some day if it is allowed to persist.
I wonder, how many of the people who were in the snake sales business just for the $$ (not for the love of snakes) will dump their now-worthless stock? I recall the Australia koi ban and read a few articles mentioning even MORE koi showing up in the waters after it was passed, probably because people with fish that get huge and sell for thousands suddenly had big expensive-to-care-for fish that weren't sellable, and figured letting them go was a favorable alternative to fines or killing them.
At any rate, I still stand firmly by us needing to do more than stomp our feet and complain to our fellow herpkeepers every time a law comes up, but really get out there in the public and educate. It's the only way to fight the kind of ignorance that is probably going to get our animals banned, confiscated, and killed some day if it is allowed to persist.