New Tliltocatl vagans - so cute!

ArborealLotus

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The adorable Tliltocatl vegans - the Mexican Red Rump! When I first opened the large deli container he was in from the shop, he absolutely adorably scurried about, shaking his little bum trynna fit into little crannies to hide. It'd try one, wasn't covered enough, then scurry over to another spot, and repeated thrice. Once he successfully found cover, I gave about 45 minutes of undisturbed time until in the open again before brushing him into a catch cup (only one kick in the beginning, no threat poses, just disgruntled but not aggressive or defensive). Now in a 4x4x5 drilled amac box with 2" substrate which he hasn't used yet (this one actually FILLED IN my starter burrow I made just in case he wanted one). This sling is also the first spider I've had to seem interested in the standing water dish - he dipped a single toe in on a few occasions (truly like the little elephant in Tarzan).

Since, this little fella has been my most active T thus far. The other new world terrestrials I've got (B. boehmei and G. pulchripes) only shift positions every few hours, or are denning themselves up beneath a hide out of sight, respectively. This guy however, moves around so far every 10-30 minutes or so that I've been able to observe. (Though to be real, I'm pretty sure the other two are both in premolt phases of lethargy and chillness).

Also - I thiiiink I felt some urticating hairs on 3 different occasions. had to do a double-take for sensations on my hands like a 20 second "pins-and-needles" feeling if I had let them go numb for a little too long, but only in a few locations rather than the whole hand. Neither my fireleg nor chaco gave me this feeling. Nevertheless, I washed up well before coming even close to any eyeballs just in case, and was on my merry way.

Is 1.75". The shop told me they fed the day before, so I'd be good for a week, but I'm deciding to feed them and am going with instinct on this one. For example, the abdomen on my new O. aureotibialis was smaller than its carapace, and I was like naaah even if he did eat yesterday, I'm offering another one. Sure enough, both new spiders made quick work of their crickets.

Here's some visuals:
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What a cutie.

nomnom... "one often meets their destiny on the path they take to avoid it"


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Poonjab

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Good call. Best to feed based off abdomen size rather than on schedule. I’ll admit, I do have somewhat of a schedule, but it’s mostly for weekly water/maintenance checks. They all generally get fed at this time too, depending on what’s going on.
 

LucN

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Nice T. vagans. One of the hobby classics. I plan on getting one of these at some point. It ought to become one of your most entertaining Ts, especially at feeding time :) Looking forward to seeing this one grow.
 

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In our latitudes they are among the Freebe classics. Accordingly, I have them in all sizes and genders. A kind where you can hardly go wrong with care. They survive pretty much anything! But they also show different behavior. From docile to very defensive, everything is possible. Allegedly they were released somewhere in America years ago and have successfully settled and multiplied en masse...
 

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The adorable Tliltocatl vegans - the Mexican Red Rump! When I first opened the large deli container he was in from the shop, he absolutely adorably scurried about, shaking his little bum trynna fit into little crannies to hide. It'd try one, wasn't covered enough, then scurry over to another spot, and repeated thrice. Once he successfully found cover, I gave about 45 minutes of undisturbed time until in the open again before brushing him into a catch cup (only one kick in the beginning, no threat poses, just disgruntled but not aggressive or defensive). Now in a 4x4x5 drilled amac box with 2" substrate which he hasn't used yet (this one actually FILLED IN my starter burrow I made just in case he wanted one). This sling is also the first spider I've had to seem interested in the standing water dish - he dipped a single toe in on a few occasions (truly like the little elephant in Tarzan).

Since, this little fella has been my most active T thus far. The other new world terrestrials I've got (B. boehmei and G. pulchripes) only shift positions every few hours, or are denning themselves up beneath a hide out of sight, respectively. This guy however, moves around so far every 10-30 minutes or so that I've been able to observe. (Though to be real, I'm pretty sure the other two are both in premolt phases of lethargy and chillness).

Also - I thiiiink I felt some urticating hairs on 3 different occasions. had to do a double-take for sensations on my hands like a 20 second "pins-and-needles" feeling if I had let them go numb for a little too long, but only in a few locations rather than the whole hand. Neither my fireleg nor chaco gave me this feeling. Nevertheless, I washed up well before coming even close to any eyeballs just in case, and was on my merry way.

Is 1.75". The shop told me they fed the day before, so I'd be good for a week, but I'm deciding to feed them and am going with instinct on this one. For example, the abdomen on my new O. aureotibialis was smaller than its carapace, and I was like naaah even if he did eat yesterday, I'm offering another one. Sure enough, both new spiders made quick work of their crickets.

Here's some visuals:
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What a cutie.

nomnom... "one often meets their destiny on the path they take to avoid it"


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Yes...enjoy it while it's small. I really like the T. vagans. If yours turns out to be male and similar in temperament to mine get ready for some fun rehousings when it becomes bigger.

Mine is only 4.5 and purchased it when it was 1 inch dls. It has never, not once kicked bristles at me, charged or threat posed me. He can be bold and very skittish. Great feeding response plus his temperament has never changed per molt. That might be different on next molt. They are a beautiful black velvet with red abdomen that so far never really dulls out. Meaning it's not just vibrant red right after a molt then fades out over time, it stays red.

Do not, I repeat do not underestimate their strength. To date when mine was 3.5 inches I rehoused him and is the only T that I have that managed to force his way out from under the catch cup, was impressive.

Mine is so determined to escape from me that his burst of speed and determination is quite astonishing.

Yours could be different and I only own one. I cannot agree or disagree with the overall description I've read on this species that they are defensive. Mine has never been such. Yours could be when it puts on size so be aware of that for future rehousings.

Other than that I really love the T. vagans, a beautiful T that gets overlooked in my opinion. Very hardy, great feeding response, stays out in the open when it puts on size but will bolt down it's burrow if you open the lid, door or whatever you're using for an enclosure. Also a fast grower.

This is one I plan on buying again in hopes of getting a female.
 

ArborealLotus

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Nice nice!
So far the rump has just been wandering around, chilling out. it has begun to kiiiiind of shuffle some substrate to make a deeper hide for himself.
I actually did feel bad at first - the hide I provided is not rounded such that it can hide completely beneath it. It is angled upwards in such a way that reveals I had underestimated the floor area he'd occupy while just chilling "under" it. I kept debating with myself whether to disturb him to switch out the bark for an even more rounded one which I now have, oooor to forego the disturbance and let it wander in peace. A miniature irony - in that if when its comfortable it doesn't hide, that I'd want to offer an even better place to hide, but doing so will cause him to want to hide, but he may not need to unless I go in to replace the hide... lol.

Anywho, he's bulldozed a wee bit and can fit more thoroughly into the den when needed so all is well!! Still the only one to interact with the water. It is light enough to have placed 3 legs on it while walking up onto the wall to chill for a bit, and while stalled "IN" the dish (with 2 other legs on the wall already), didn't put enough weight onto the water to break the surface tension - twas quite beautiful.

If it buries itself, so be it. I will delight in whatever it chooses to do. : ).

...do not underestimate their strength. To date when mine was 3.5 inches I rehoused him and is the only T that I have that managed to force his way out from under the catch cup, was impressive.
This is one I plan on buying again in hopes of getting a female.

I appreciate the note on strength. This is a good tip to keep in mind even no matter the spider! And agreed, this would be a fun one to get more of. Is quite playful, if undisturbed : ).
 

ArborealLotus

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Yo, this guy is fr really funny to watch.

Finally observed a terrestrial bulldozing for the first time. It pulled a few rows of sub to make more room under the hide, then patted it down with its butt. However, I think the purpose of the butt dance was to lay out juuuust a little silk, cuz the next row to be taken out kinda rolled up like a patch of sod, a brilliant engineer.

What I am confused by, is HOW it emptied the water dish that’s been half full all day (a spaghnum sprig was lying in it slowly soaking, but between glances it went from half to empty in maaaybe 10 minutes and there’s not more sphagnum in it than before that I consider enough to soak it dry...)

Still rearranging everything, he has been wandering around with a clump of silky dirt hanging outta his face for the last 20 minutes and only JUST decided to lie it down neatly in the corner of the empty water dish. Maybe he doesn’t like standing water after all and is trynna fill it in...

What a clown. An absolute delight lol.
 

Craig73

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I don’t have this T, but a few that bulldoze. Entertaining to say the least. The first few times the water dish got filled with substraight was funny, until one of mine came charging when I was removing the substraight from the dish. Dawned on me afterwards it had laid webbing that I couldn’t see and triggered it.
 

LucN

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The piece of sphagnum moss is wicking out the water from the dish. The same can happen with substrate and webbing. Just pull it out and place it elsewhere. The water should remain then.
 

Blueandbluer

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The piece of sphagnum moss is wicking out the water from the dish. The same can happen with substrate and webbing. Just pull it out and place it elsewhere. The water should remain then.
Agreed. Sphagnum is SHOCKINGLY absorbent. It only takes a small piece to suck up an entire dish's worth of water.
 
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