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[jiacovazzi]

One time I held a parrot. It tried to eat my hat and pooped on my shoulder.

I don't blame it.

And how could you handle that animal? It could have bolted up your arm, bit you on the neck with its powerful beak! Then next thing you know, no one can have parrots anymore and it's giving the hobby bad press!

 

[Poec54]

People have the right to Defend themselves when they're slammed for no reason

This is an open discussion for members to respond to, started by your friend. He's the only one blowing off steam. As was pointed out by a moderator on a thread in December: It's not up to you or any other members to decide who's posts they think are too 'harsh' or critical, or would 'scare off' newcomers, nor are you to confront them about it. That's up to the moderators. They tend to get involved when people lose their tempers and lash out, like your friend did. That's what gets threads closed.

Interesting that you show up when summoned, so that you can take a shot at me or join a pile-on, but don't seem to have much time to help beginners and answer member questions, like I do almost every day of the year. Priorities, huh?

 

[Toxoderidae]

I don't blame it.

And how could you handle that animal? It could have bolted up your arm, bit you on the neck with its powerful beak! Then next thing you know, no one can have parrots anymore and it's giving the hobby bad press!

Parrots are weird man. They can't even run.. just jump awkwardly. I was like 4 when it did that. Ruined my love for parrots. And those things have strong beaks.. I've seen them crack a walnut in two.

 

[jiacovazzi]

This is an open discussion for members to respond to, started by your friend. He's the only one blowing off steam. As was pointed out by a moderator on a thread in December: It's not up to you or any other members to decide who's posts they think are too 'harsh' or critical, or would 'scare off' newcomers, nor are you to confront them about it. That's up to the moderators. They tend to get involved when people lose their tempers and lash out, like your friend did. That's what gets threads closed.

Interesting that you show up when summoned, so that you can take a shot at me or join a pile-on, but don't seem to have much time to help beginners and answer member questions, like I do almost every day of the year. Priorities, huh?

I help beginners in real life, and I make friends from doing it. I don't have a bunch of mindless brown nosers. That's how I met Crlovel (Chris). You chase people away with your pompous attitude. This site has a rep for being toxic and argumentative because of you and members like you. That's just a fact.
Until then, I will lurk and wade through the muck while trying to learn.

 

[Toxoderidae]

Don't ever trust a bird.

 

[mistertim]

Classic!
I've seen it So many times Just lurking on the forums here.
A newcomer is flamed undeservingly, and then the "experienced" hobbyists and associated brown nosers come out of the woodwork to blame the new comer for reacting to their tactless comments! It's become a cliche on Arachnoboards at this point

Again, this is all your point of view. Nobody, including Poec or myself, went after anyone personally or nastily. There were no personal insults or name calling at all. Some of it was direct and that is just Poec's style, but it isn't intended to be mean spirited. I had some of the same reactions to him at first but got used to it and realized it wasn't anything personal or him being a nasty person. None of that started until crlovel decided to go that route.

Direct, but constructive, criticism is not "flaming", and if you see it that way then its no wonder you see this place as so mean to newcomers. What is more constructive when someone who doesn't have direct experience with something comes in and says they just got the most advanced of that thing...just ignoring the potential hazards to the person and others and saying "good job" or giving notes of caution and explaining why it might be a bad idea? I'd much rather someone do the latter with me, even if it seems harsh, than just sugar coat it and not warn me.

 

[crlovel]

This is an open discussion for members to respond to, started by your friend. He's the only one blowing off steam. As was pointed out by a moderator on a thread in December: It's not up to you or any other members to decide who's posts they think are too 'harsh' or critical, or would 'scare off' newcomers, nor are you to confront them about it. That's up to the moderators. They tend to get involved when people lose their tempers and lash out, like your friend did. That's what gets threads closed.

Interesting that you show up when summoned, so that you can take a shot at me or join a pile-on, but don't seem to have much time to help beginners and answer member questions, like I do almost every day of the year. Priorities, huh?

I hardly need to summon Joe. Believe me, I have no trouble fighting my own battles. I "lashed out?" You poor special injured snowflake. Damn right I did. You know what you remind me of? The playground bully, finding the new kids, beating them up for their lunch money - and wow, shock of shocks, some new kids fight back, sending him off crying to the teachers. "How dare he lash out at me? I'm telling my dad!" Once again, please, put me on ignore. Or call the moderators. I don't much care. Just stop talking to me, about me. Pretend I don't exist.

 

[Poec54]

And that's perfectly fine honestly. Just don't try to spread the negativity my friend. And don't call me a suckup, as until recently, I really disliked Poec and other users with his straightforward and no nonsense attitude. I now see why he feels that way.

I still think there are some arguments I could disagree with him on.

Hey, lets talk about them. Start some threads. It's normal for people have different opinions. Maybe you can win me over, teach me something, or show me a better way. This is a place for people who are passionate about spiders to have discussions. We're not all carbon copies that have identical opinions. The moderators certainly don't expect everyone to agree with each other. That's not real life. There's other spider forums that are lovely-dovey fluff with little substance. Boring as hell, and what do you learn there? I share what I've learned over the decades, and I'm still learning myself. This isn't a hobby where you can learn everything there is. Just too much out there.

 

[jiacovazzi]

Again, this is all your point of view. Nobody, including Poec or myself, went after anyone personally or nastily. There were no personal insults or name calling at all. Some of it was direct and that is just Poec's style, but it isn't intended to be mean spirited. I had some of the same reactions to him at first but got used to it and realized it wasn't anything personal or him being a nasty person. None of that started until crlovel decided to go that route.

Direct, but constructive, criticism is not "flaming", and if you see it that way then its no wonder you see this place as so mean to newcomers. What is more constructive when someone who doesn't have direct experience with something comes in and says they just got the most advanced of that thing...just ignoring the potential hazards to the person and others and saying "good job" or giving notes of caution and explaining why it might be a bad idea? I'd much rather someone do the latter with me, even if it seems harsh, than just sugar coat it and not warn me.

No one is even referring to you, run along. However, you're only reinforcing the cliche. Well done.

 

[mistertim]

No one is even referring to you, run along. However, you're only reinforcing the cliche. Well done.

No one is referring to me? I responded directly to a quote you made to one of MY posts. How does that not concern me? However, your passive aggressive dismissal is noted and expected by now, as is the fact that you didn't actually respond to anything I said...just went right into defensive mode.

 

[Toxoderidae]

Hey, lets talk about them. Start some threads. It's normal for people have different opinions. Maybe you can win me over, teach me something, or show me a better way. This is a place for people who are passionate about spiders to have discussions. We're not all carbon copies that have identical opinions. The moderators certainly don't expect everyone to agree with each other. That's not real life. There's other spider forums that are lovely-dovey fluff with little substance. Boring as hell, and what do you learn there? I share what I've learned over the decades, and I'm still learning myself. This isn't a hobby where you can learn everything there is. Just too much out there.

Well one thing I disagree with is part of the stepping stone idea. I more or less ignored it, aside from jumping from avic to poec. In my eyes, a P. metallica or striata is nothing in aggression or defensive-ness, compared to P. irmina. In my eyes, irmina is far worse in speed, reaction, and temperament. Poecs only win in venom.

 

[Poec54]

The Moderator's statement when jiacovazzi was doing the same thing in December:


Admin Note:
This crap needs to stop! We have A LOT of members here with many different posting styles. No one is going to like everyones style, but everyone is entitled to their own. Some are going to be nice, some are going to be candy coated and some are going to be blunt.

Arachnoboards is what the members make of it. If you feel someones experience is not being as positive as it could be, help improve it. Derailing threads with negativity (bluntness ≠ negativity) helps no one.

 

[Poec54]

Well one thing I disagree with is part of the stepping stone idea. I more or less ignored it, aside from jumping from avic to poec. In my eyes, a P. metallica or striata is nothing in aggression or defensive-ness, compared to P. irmina. In my eyes, irmina is far worse in speed, reaction, and temperament. Poecs only win in venom.

Start a new thread for that. Let's talk about it.

 

[jiacovazzi]

The Moderator's statement when jiacovazzi was doing the same thing in December:


Admin Note:
This crap needs to stop! We have A LOT of members here with many different posting styles. No one is going to like everyones style, but everyone is entitled to their own. Some are going to be nice, some are going to be candy coated and some are going to be blunt.

Arachnoboards is what the members make of it. If you feel someones experience is not being as positive as it could be, help improve it. Derailing threads with negativity (bluntness ≠ negativity) helps no one.

There we go, playing the victim again. Poec can be condescending and tactless to whomever and when they say anything back, he's the victim and the tattletale. What an experienced and helpful hobbyist

 

[Poec54]

What an experienced and helpful hobbyist

Funny you should say that. Here's from a thread earlier this month:

Poec54: What's keeping you from answering more questions and helping more people here? You've said you're a long-time tarantula keeper (20 years?) & have 'quite the collection.' Use it to the benefit of this forum. I haven't seen you post anything that someone in the hobby several months doesn't already know. Walk the talk.

jiacovazi: I just don't like to trudge through the mud of this forum. Many people I've sold to, answered questions, and helped...You don't see everything..There's more to this hobby than outside THIS forum.

You're one of the ones making the 'mud' in this forum. Too busy to volunteer help out on this forum, but find the time to come and complain about me. Then disappear again. You help your paying customers, but the people on this forum (who don't buy from you) aren't worth your time. If only more people would follow your example. What a great forum that would be.

 

[Poec54]

I hardly need to summon Joe.

Then why did you?

 

[jiacovazzi]

Then why did you?

He didn't. I saw the posts, aka the mud you sling at hobbyists who don't meet your standards

 

[jiacovazzi]

Funny you should say that. Here's from a thread earlier this month:

Poec54: What's keeping you from answering more questions and helping more people here? You've said you're a long-time tarantula keeper (20 years?) & have 'quite the collection.' Use it to the benefit of this forum. I haven't seen you post anything that someone in the hobby several months doesn't already know. Walk the talk.

jiacovazi: I just don't like to trudge through the mud of this forum. Many people I've sold to, answered questions, and helped...You don't see everything..There's more to this hobby than outside THIS forum.

You're one of the ones making the 'mud' in this forum. Too busy to volunteer help out on this forum, but find the time to come and complain about me. Then disappear again. You help your paying customers, but the people on this forum (who don't buy from you) aren't worth your time. If only more people would follow your example. What a great forum that would be.

If you read: you'll know I don't disappear. I lurk, until I see new members being flamed for no reason.
I get it, you're a saint, you're the victim. You're not at all pendantic or elitist. You can answer all the questions you want , but your attitude chases newbies away and that's DETRIMENTAL to our hobby

 

[Chris LXXIX]

Well one thing I disagree with is part of the stepping stone idea. I more or less ignored it, aside from jumping from avic to poec. In my eyes, a P. metallica or striata is nothing in aggression or defensive-ness, compared to P. irmina. In my eyes, irmina is far worse in speed, reaction, and temperament. Poecs only win in venom.

That's why you were "surprised" by your recent acquired "Haplo's", genus Poecilotheria, save for the venom potency (by far terrible, no doubts) and the teleport speed (but which arboreal is slow, at the end?) are a nothing, in terms of put a decent "stand and fight", they are shy, hide & run, easy to spook Theraphosidae (P.ornata a bit more defensive).

They are, and remain class A T's, with that said.

Some NW T's in their "bad" day are able to scare those, in terms of attitude.

 

[Toxoderidae]

Why is this still going on? Like, man, I'm getting some real negative vibes here. Why not listen to some music?