Multicoloured Centipede in Tanzania, East Africa

sean8957

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Hi Guys.

I visit Tanzania, East Africa reguarly and this time around I was bitten on the big toe by this fella!

It was a pretty painfull bite but didnt cause any major problems.

I was just wondering if anyone could tell me what kind of centipede this is.... I have tried searching but could not find another example with the sample colour patterns.

Any help would be really appreciated as im very intrueged to find out the name :)

Best Wishes

Sean
 

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Scolopendra something-or-other.

I'm not terribly knowledgeable about the different species within the genus, but there is a subforum for myriapods where you will probably get an answer pretty quickly.
 

cacoseraph

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maybe Scolopendra morsitans. there are definitely specimens of that species that look about like that in the area stated

some have a heck of a bite on them, ime
 

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Cheers for all the reply's everyone :)

It was around 4-5inches in length though
 

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i'm going with Scolopendra morsitans,probably a male.
 

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@Elytra and Antenna:
How can you say that it is a mirabilis? How can you say it is male?
 

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Why? Are there certain features that you are familiar with that I am not which would make this a female or something other than mirabilis? Compare to here: http://www.nadiplochilo.com/sscolopendrinae.html
If it's really 5 inches it's probably not either species guessed at this point.
I think what he's trying to say is that he might be skeptical on how you are able to ID the gender of the centipede, and why you think it is the species you state it as being. I'm curious myself because there are very few if any characteristics of centipedes that make them being able to be determined as male or female upon observation at a distance.
 
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I think what he's trying to say is that he might be skeptical on how you are able to ID the gender of the centipede, and why you think it is the species you state it as being. I'm curious myself because there are very few if any characteristics of centipedes that make them being able to be determined as male or female upon observation at a distance.
Did you take a look at the link image?
 

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Did you take a look at the link image?
Yes, though it doesn't provide any support as to how you can tell which is male and female. There are also centipedes that share the coloration. I'm not saying "You're completely wrong." I'm making an attempt to clarify krabbelspinne's question, though he's probably best at that. However, I'm also interested how you can make both statements based on the photo provided.
 

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Did I not say it was a guess? However, when Tanzanian imports of centipedes were common here the only species with this color was S. mirabalis and the males of that species are really easy to tell from the females. The photo you looked at is a male and female.
 

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where did you read that mirabilis is sexually dimorphic like that? i have read in multiple reliable places that morsitans is and you know, keyed them out rather than going off color... but if you want to go off a common color in a blurry pic, well, that's something
 

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@ E and A:

The species on the photo in the website www.nadiplochilo.com is NOT Scolopendra mirabilis. It is a misidentification. Until now, I believe, that the species shown on the photo is a new species. Beside some remarkable species like Sc. hardwickei, it is NOT possible to identify centipedes by colouration.

The second point is, that there are only a few Scolopendra species showing sexual dimorphism. One of them is Scolopendra morsitans, but Scolopendra mirabilis doesn`t.

So you are wrong with your guess about the species and you are totally wrong by saying it is male or female in this case.
 

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where did you read that mirabilis is sexually dimorphic like that? i have read in multiple reliable places that morsitans is and you know, keyed them out rather than going off color... but if you want to go off a common color in a blurry pic, well, that's something
So you keyed out this one by going off a blurry pic? What feature in the blurry pic did you use for you S. morsitans ID. It's amazing that you expect evidence from others you would never consider expecting from yourself.

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@ E and A:

The species on the photo in the website www.nadiplochilo.com is NOT Scolopendra mirabilis. It is a misidentification. Until now, I believe, that the species shown on the photo is a new species.
The second point is, that there are only a few Scolopendra species showing sexual dimorphism.
How do you know those are not S. mirabilis? There are specific tarsal features of those specimens you wouldn't be able to see in a photograph. With nothing to back up your claim and no opportunity to check the features what are you claiming to think the species is now? What feature do you think I'm going off for the gender?

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maybe Scolopendra morsitans. there are definitely specimens of that species that look about like that in the area stated

some have a heck of a bite on them, ime
Would you happen to have some evidence for your species identification by color?
 
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Sherosarizonensisbanded.jpg RhysidaLongipesBacklegs.jpg ChineseRedHeads.jpg I pulled 3 of 3 photos that just happen to be in my attachments. So if I told you these were from Arizona, Florida, and China you honestly couldn't identify these species by color?
@ E and A:
Beside some remarkable species like Sc. hardwickei, it is NOT possible to identify centipedes by colouration.
 

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I won't make you lie, most people on here would know heros, longipes, and subspinipes. Also, the S. subspinipes at the bottom are 3 females and 1 male. Adult males often don't really look like females.
 

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i can't really help you with english comprehension, but the fact i am talking in a plural is generally indicative of speaking of things in general and not a specific instance or this specific instance. what the contents of my post mean, put another way, is i would key out a species before trying to sex it

did you want to provide citations for anything or just huff and puff like normal?

Lewis Biology of Centipedes states that morsitans are sexually dimorphic based on, in part, characteristics of the terminal leg which, if the centipede in the OP *is* a morsitans are just barely present in the picture. the terminal legs of a male will have these structural differences. name escapes me at the moment but i'm sure anyone can search the site for my posts to figure it out
 

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i can't really help you with english comprehension, but the fact i am talking in a plural is generally indicative of speaking of things in general and not a specific instance or this specific instance. what the contents of my post mean, put another way, is i would key out a species before trying to sex it
But you didn't try to key it out. You based it on color but you don't have evidence S. morsitans are ever that color. Your reference has nothing to do with the topic at hand since you can't make out features on the rear legs in the OP photo. I did not say S. mirabilis rear legs were any different on male and female. They aren't any different on the rear legs of the specimens in the link. You don't see any difference in the body shape?

maybe Scolopendra morsitans. there are definitely specimens of that species that look about like that in the area stated

some have a heck of a bite on them, ime
Would you happen to have some evidence for your species identification by color? Are you now pretending you based it on the rear legs since you can't find a reference? You should take a look at the photos on your own webpage.
 
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Would you happen to have some evidence for your species identification by color?
It's a bit confusing to see things go back and forth. Either way, I pointed out was that most species of centipede can not be sexed based off external observation, and the claim you've made several times thus far in being able to ID a centipede's gender merely by seeing a picture of it seems far-fetched. Now, if you were to provide several instances of which characteristics you look for in telling one apart from the other you might get more positive feedback and end up providing people with a method of sexing adult specimens. However, many of the more experienced keepers here rely on exposing the sex organs of centipedes to determine the gender despite having huge exposure to working with both sexes- I find it difficult to think that it can be so easily done based on external observation.

However, regarding the color, I will say this. Is it more likely that you'd be able to ID a centipede from one region given a photo, knowing that there is only one species in that range which has that coloration? Yes.

Yet, the second question would be a bit harder. If there were two species with overlapping range that shared similar body characteristics and coloration, would you be able to tell them apart using a blurry photograph? Most likely not, but at least you could narrow it down to those two. It's not really the argument I'm wanting to make at the moment but it really sorts things out pertaining to the whole debate about if you're able to ID a pede based off what color it happens to be.

Based on what people here have provided me with, that there are two very similar looking centipedes in the same region I would say you can indeed narrow it down to those two. However, can you tell if the specimen in the picture is male or female? Highly doubtful, at least in my opinion.
 
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