More strict posting..."what T should i get?" banning
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Sounds like a couple of different viewpoints here. But it seems that both sides need to take their own advice and apply to the other side. Meaning, that there are threads that some people should avoid(the noob threads), and likewise other threads that others should avoid(complaining on noob threads).
One whining is the same as the other.
I have the same opinion as the Schultzes, no matter how much you know, or how long you've been in the hobby, we're all noobs.
Sounds like a couple of different viewpoints here. But it seems that both sides need to take their own advice and apply to the other side. Meaning, that there are threads that some people should avoid(the noob threads), and likewise other threads that others should avoid(complaining on noob threads).
One whining is the same as the other.
I have the same opinion as the Schultzes, no matter how much you know, or how long you've been in the hobby, we're all noobs.
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First off, I don't think the OP ever said ban the noobs, newbs or newbies whichever you prefer.
All he was saying in so many words was: can this be fixed? Am I right OP?
I've noticed that some people here argue the wrong point at times. Nobody reads what the OPs are meaning. I wonder if some of us read to fast and then tear into the OP without cause?
And just like I do with my kids sometimes, slow down and enjoy the meal instead of scarfing it down, or read slower and respond to the true content of the posters posts.
Brian
All he was saying in so many words was: can this be fixed? Am I right OP?
I've noticed that some people here argue the wrong point at times. Nobody reads what the OPs are meaning. I wonder if some of us read to fast and then tear into the OP without cause?
And just like I do with my kids sometimes, slow down and enjoy the meal instead of scarfing it down, or read slower and respond to the true content of the posters posts.
Brian
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Even though I do understand that the topic of this thread is specifically dealing with repeated asing for advice when purchasing a T, I cannot help but be appalled at the undertone of this thread. Sorry, Rusty......I know you were just ranting, but things like this tend to make people a bit sensitive, and persnickety (couldn't find a harsh enough word for what I really wanted to say, LOL).
When I came to AB, I ran a search and posted up a question, because I still had more questions that were not answered. With the treatment I received, it's a wonder I'm still around. Is it some sort of ritual hazing you have to go through before you're accepted here? When someone new posts up to say "Hi!!! I'm New!!!!" we all say "Welcome!!!!" But is it really meant, and are they really welcome here??? The sense of belonging is one of our greatest needs after food, clothing, and shelter. How can anyone feel like they "belong" with this kind of behavior going on.......especially from those who are experienced in this hobby, and are trusted / expected by those newer to the fold to help guide their path through this hobby.
In all honesty, the elitist attitude and all the pretentiousness that comes with it belongs in an exclusive club, and not on a public forum. However, there are also a lot of experienced hobbyists who will lend their wisdom to those who will listen. I have been helped by more people who are in their first two to five years of this hobby and have modest collections, rather than by those who are high-profile with 10,000 posts, umpteen years of experience trading and breeding and selling T's, and have a zillion T's on their inverts lists.
As for me, I'm happy to answer newbie questions. It makes me feel good that someone else doesn't have to learn the hobby the way I did (the hard way), and because all the elitists refuse to be helpful, it makes me feel like I actually do know something, LOL!!!
Done with my rant.....thanks, been wanting to say that for a while!!!!
That's pretty much what has been happening here. In fact, since AB's tarantula forums were restructured, there has been a whole host of newbie questions in the Chat section. It almost seems as if newbies are being discouraged to even post in Q&D. When they post up a thread, they are told to search, and when they do search and feel the need to be heard, they're asked not to resurrect ancient threads. This is not what I call "Being Helpful." Nor is it being humble, compassionate, or empathetic to another's needs.
When I came to AB, I ran a search and posted up a question, because I still had more questions that were not answered. With the treatment I received, it's a wonder I'm still around. Is it some sort of ritual hazing you have to go through before you're accepted here? When someone new posts up to say "Hi!!! I'm New!!!!" we all say "Welcome!!!!" But is it really meant, and are they really welcome here??? The sense of belonging is one of our greatest needs after food, clothing, and shelter. How can anyone feel like they "belong" with this kind of behavior going on.......especially from those who are experienced in this hobby, and are trusted / expected by those newer to the fold to help guide their path through this hobby.
In all honesty, the elitist attitude and all the pretentiousness that comes with it belongs in an exclusive club, and not on a public forum. However, there are also a lot of experienced hobbyists who will lend their wisdom to those who will listen. I have been helped by more people who are in their first two to five years of this hobby and have modest collections, rather than by those who are high-profile with 10,000 posts, umpteen years of experience trading and breeding and selling T's, and have a zillion T's on their inverts lists.
As for me, I'm happy to answer newbie questions. It makes me feel good that someone else doesn't have to learn the hobby the way I did (the hard way), and because all the elitists refuse to be helpful, it makes me feel like I actually do know something, LOL!!!
Done with my rant.....thanks, been wanting to say that for a while!!!!
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LOL! I could have sworn I made a post here but now I don't see it. All well..
Only thing is that I could think of if we ban newbs from posting such questions, they are going to sign off on "Well this board is more of a read like any other website and not a place of communicating with more experienced hobbyists. Why bother having an account? I'll look elsewhere!" That's what most would do. Sadly, there are some that don't want to do the work of checking different things out until they're satisfied with an answer or suggestion.
Others would assume this is a place to ask for help and advice when they have done a thorough search.
They'll most likely post the same things elsewhere at arachnophiles, SFBATS, ATS or other boards until they endorse the same bans.
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Yes, it is truly and whole-heartedly meant.
What you just discussed in that text block I just quoted is (I believe) closer to the heart of the reason WHY such "newbie" threads are started.
I think that sometimes, posting "what T should I get next" threads is more of an honest attempt to reach out to the AB community and the members here - rather than a lack of research, though that may apply as well in many cases.
I am sure I have posted this same kind of thing before, but I truly think that people are just excited to be a member on this site and want to get to know other hobbyists - so they jump right in and start posting instead of reading stickies or doing a search.
<shrugs>
It's no big deal - to me anyways. (although, I suppose it would be better, for them, their T(s), and not to mention the site itself, to research and read stickies prior to posting)
persnickety
I Love The Choice of This Word! persnickety
Just to be fair, by definition, "what T should I get?" Should be posted in the 'Chat' section. And as far as I'm concerned, they could be posted every hour on the hour.
There is nothing 'scientific' about "what T should I get?". If the OP was trying to make the point of "where" to post these threads, then I say in the 'chat' section.
Oh Yea...........persnickety
I Love The Choice of This Word!
persnickety Just to be fair, by definition, "what T should I get?" Should be posted in the 'Chat' section. And as far as I'm concerned, they could be posted every hour on the hour.
There is nothing 'scientific' about "what T should I get?". If the OP was trying to make the point of "where" to post these threads, then I say in the 'chat' section.
Oh Yea...........persnickety
There are a group of jaded mods here that have seen it all, and if the question about getting T's and which ones was bunching their panties, they certainly have what it takes to make changes. That they have not, should perhaps speak louder......
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I like that idea better than just banning threads made by people that are just happy to meet others and get the ball rolling.I Love The Choice of This Word!
Just to be fair, by definition, "what T should I get?" Should be posted in the 'Chat' section. And as far as I'm concerned, they could be posted every hour on the hour.
There is nothing 'scientific' about "what T should I get?". If the OP was trying to make the point of "where" to post these threads, then I say in the 'chat' section.
Oh Yea...........persnickety
I know I was sure excited to find other "crazy bug people" like me.
To me BTS is a "zombie site" .... there is hardly anyone on there at ANY time of day or night. You could be waiting weeks past your "Molt emergency" to get a reply after your beloved T has got stuck in a molt and perished when a few life saving tips might have been given to you on here ... but that's just my opinion of what I have seen... threads have frequent replies here daily on AB ... I have yet to monitor and see that response on BTS ... I have never posted on there yet and doubt I ever will even though I am a member there
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Don't feel bad, the ATS is the same way.
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Well said :clap:Yes, it is truly and whole-heartedly meant.
What you just discussed in that text block I just quoted is (I believe) closer to the heart of the reason WHY such "newbie" threads are started.
I think that sometimes, posting "what T should I get next" threads is more of an honest attempt to reach out to the AB community and the members here - rather than a lack of research, though that may apply as well in many cases.
I am sure I have posted this same kind of thing before, but I truly think that people are just excited to be a member on this site and want to get to know other hobbyists - so they jump right in and start posting instead of reading stickies or doing a search.
<shrugs>
It's no big deal - to me anyways. (although, I suppose it would be better, for them, their T(s), and not to mention the site itself, to research and read stickies prior to posting)
When "newbs" come here they usually aren't just newbs to the tarantula scene, they are also newb's to THIS forum ... and maybe they don't know how to use the search function or to backtrack through a whole load of threads. Sometimes people who have computers don't want to be face with a whole load of jargon or crappy "care sheets" which really don't serve the purpose courtesy of google or yahoo (lets face it they are crap anyway)..... and some people feel a lot better putting in their own thread and having "real people giving a response to their query" rather than a bland, dull inexperienced page staring back at them. Lets face it, would you rather a "equivalent to a txt reply from as real human being who had actually had experience with said species?) or a page, to read, with no real pointers and no experience? ........ hmmmmmmmmmm
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That is why i feel it is important to give pointers for using the search function, instead of just saying 'search'. Heck, if you just search in all forums instead of Questions & Discussions, you will get back pages of unhelpful threads. It can definitely confuse someone to pull up a bunch of For Sale ads when searching for care information.............
The old threads are not necessarily bland, dull or inexperienced. You as the searcher are just not involved in the conversation.
Some people will always prefer to get their 'own' answers and there isn't anything wrong with that. There isn't anything wrong with telling people the value of the search engine either.
i would prefer accurate information from many different perspectives and i don't feel like you can get that these days. The older threads seem to have more 'meat' to them. So, i would rather post only when i can find nothing that directly pertains to my question. This of course, is just my opinion and it isn't widely shared.(and i'm okay with that)