moms eating her babies how to stop?

[H. laoticus]

We have a crusader here,

I suggest you answer all noob questions forthwith!

but stick to the subject, this guy had a computer, how could he post anyway?We don't see a lot of people who DON't own computers here, don't you think? The above applies to everyone! You known those little organized bunch of papers called books? Not one single thing you said in your post dismisses a person to know what kind of pet one is getting and the responsibility to know how to take care of it.
What I can understand is the fact that if the hobby is new, and websites are new, that one can't find the search function and such. I had the same problem, and I also agree when you say that one should not answer a question when one doesn't want to answer it or feels it is the 100.000.000 time the same question is answered.

I clearly said "the above may not apply to this individual, but it could very well apply to others." I say this because there has been a lot of people doing exactly that, commenting negatively without any consideration. And you don't know who owns one or who doesn't, just that we are not all equal. I know of a moderator who doesn't even have internet on another scorpion forum. Some can't even afford to buy or patch up their broken computers. If you want to talk books, not everyone has access to a library!
And you completely don't understand my post if you're bringing it back to owning a pet and responsibility. My post is to address those who are sitting on their high horses. Of course I support a pet owner knowing what they're getting into and taking responsibility for their pets. However, if they make a mistake, it's obvious to see that they need MORE help. They need direction, advise, support, and dare I say it, HELP.
It doesn't matter if the websites are new or if the hobby is new, there's something called computer illiteracy. Not everyone is as competent as you are in navigating through the internet or using a computer.

And for the record, I do answer any noob questions I see . Do you know what they say in the end? "Thank you."

For the OP:
Be careful with gravid females in your community tank. They have been reported to kill other tank mates!

 

[gromgrom]

I clearly said "the above may not apply to this individual, but it could very well apply to others." I say this because there has been a lot of people doing exactly that, commenting negatively without any consideration. And you don't know who owns one or who doesn't, just that we are not all equal. I know of a moderator who doesn't even have internet on another scorpion forum. Some can't even afford to buy or patch up their broken computers. If you want to talk books, not everyone has access to a library!
And you completely don't understand my post if you're bringing it back to owning a pet and responsibility. My post is to address those who are sitting on their high horses. Of course I support a pet owner knowing what they're getting into and taking responsibility for their pets. However, if they make a mistake, it's obvious to see that they need MORE help. They need direction, advise, support, and dare I say it, HELP.
It doesn't matter if the websites are new or if the hobby is new, there's something called computer illiteracy. Not everyone is as competent as you are in navigating through the internet or using a computer.

And for the record, I do answer any noob questions I see . Do you know what they say in the end? "Thank you."

For the OP:
Be careful with gravid females in your community tank. They have been reported to kill other tank mates!

but we shouldnt reward or condone stupidity and not researching the animal before hand, with or without a computer or library. people, in every animal field, need to stop impulse buying animals.

have you seen craigslist? half the dogs and cats being given away or sold are purebreds or mixes that people paid 100$+ for, and now "cant take care of". that is the problem, if youre buying an animal that lives that long, make sure you know you can care for it.

this doesnt apply to the OP, but really, i bought an emperor when i was ten, but i studied insects and snakes in my backyard, and through the internet and library.

 

[H. laoticus]

but we shouldnt reward or condone stupidity and not researching the animal before hand, with or without a computer or library. people, in every animal field, need to stop impulse buying animals.

have you seen craigslist? half the dogs and cats being given away or sold are purebreds or mixes that people paid 100$+ for, and now "cant take care of". that is the problem, if youre buying an animal that lives that long, make sure you know you can care for it.

this doesnt apply to the OP, but really, i bought an emperor when i was ten, but i studied insects and snakes in my backyard, and through the internet and library.

I am not rewarding nor condoning "stupidity."
You say they need to stop impulse buying, but guess what? They still are. What do you do now? Turn your back or just whine about it? If they come by with a "stupid" question, it's in the animals' best interest that you tell that pet owner what to do. To disregard them and label them as stupid just means you've done nothing to help and that animal will continue to suffer.

 

[habnoji]

Accually I did do my home work on my scorpion only thing was I never put effort in the breeding section because I had no wish to breed.I have learned one thing about scorpions expect the unexpected. I came to the boards for help because the book I have explaines how to care for and set up for breeding but omits what to do after the scorps arrive.THat must be in book two.Any way I did remove the chrickes as advised I put her tank in a closet so it was nice and dark i only checked on her once a day only at night and with black light. I really dont think I did any thing wrong other then The crickets and those were removed within hours.Now why she died I havent CLUE!She was well fed 2-3 lg chrickets a week 21L tank heat humid were perfect. She was well taken care of.I also left her alone only time i went in the cage was to clean or feed.Thanks to all for there help, wish things ended different.But the good part is My birthday was friday and the wife felt bad that I was upset that my scorpion died. So she went out and bought me 6 red claw emporers I had to laugh when she told me about it she accually made the Sales guy put them in her car then said suprise I had to take them out of her car.(She hates bugs)And as always I tell her there not bugs.
After a few hours in ther tank she even let one crawl on her Now thats a big step for her.

 

[gromgrom]

I am not rewarding nor condoning "stupidity."
You say they need to stop impulse buying, but guess what? They still are. What do you do now? Turn your back or just whine about it? If they come by with a "stupid" question, it's in the animals' best interest that you tell that pet owner what to do. To disregard them and label them as stupid just means you've done nothing to help and that animal will continue to suffer.

and yet again condone animal impulse purchasing. thanks for confirming you're for that.

 

[H. laoticus]

and yet again condone animal impulse purchasing. thanks for confirming you're for that.

To condone is to "To overlook, forgive, or disregard"
I am not overlooking it, forgiving it, or disregarding it.
I am in fact, directly facing it and making the best of it.
That is why I give advise and point them in the right direction. Please tell me where I am "condoning" it.
You simply state something without backing it up.

You are the one who is in fact condoning it by doing nothing to stop, help, or prevent impulse buyers.
Take the OP for instance. He said, "I came to the boards for help because the book I have explaines how to care for and set up for breeding but omits what to do after the scorps arrive."
You assumed he did no research.

Either you help or you don't, but by telling them "google it, use the search function," you're just prolonging that animal's suffering (if it is indeed suffering). 10 seconds of writing up a quick response can save that animal from that mistreatment. I keep hearing that certain members that they care for the animals, but yet they continue to let the pets' owners mistreat/harm them; it's simply foolishness.

To habnoji:
why don't you take a few pics of them for us. The common name red claw emps doesn't help much. Maybe you got some Pandinus cavimanus and those are said to not do well in communal setups.

 

[Michiel]

I clearly said "the above may not apply to this individual, but it could very well apply to others." I say this because there has been a lot of people doing exactly that, commenting negatively without any consideration. And you don't know who owns one or who doesn't, just that we are not all equal. I know of a moderator who doesn't even have internet on another scorpion forum. Some can't even afford to buy or patch up their broken computers. If you want to talk books, not everyone has access to a library!
And you completely don't understand my post if you're bringing it back to owning a pet and responsibility. My post is to address those who are sitting on their high horses. Of course I support a pet owner knowing what they're getting into and taking responsibility for their pets. However, if they make a mistake, it's obvious to see that they need MORE help. They need direction, advise, support, and dare I say it, HELP.
It doesn't matter if the websites are new or if the hobby is new, there's something called computer illiteracy. Not everyone is as competent as you are in navigating through the internet or using a computer.

And for the record, I do answer any noob questions I see . Do you know what they say in the end? "Thank you."

For the OP:
Be careful with gravid females in your community tank. They have been reported to kill other tank mates!

Hi H.laoticus,

Thanks for explaining your point of view. I understand you better now, but I still do not agree with some things, but that is not always necessary. We can have different opinions without problems. The first poster claims to have his homework and validates his actions by saying that. So that means for me that continuing this thread is like beating a dead horse. I admire in you that you still want to help these people and I am glad you do. Personally, I give up more easily and decided to refrain to react on these posts in the future.
Other people are better at it then I am, and I am not very patient anyway.

 

[H. laoticus]

Hi H.laoticus,

Thanks for explaining your point of view. I understand you better now, but I still do not agree with some things, but that is not always necessary. We can have different opinions without problems. The first poster claims to have his homework and validates his actions by saying that. So that means for me that continuing this thread is like beating a dead horse. I admire in you that you still want to help these people and I am glad you do. Personally, I give up more easily and decided to refrain to react on these posts in the future.
Other people are better at it then I am, and I am not very patient anyway.

Hi Michiel,

We can definitely agree to disagree and I appreciate you replying with class. I can understand where you're coming from as well and respect your opinion. Yes, it takes a bit of patience, but I do what I can as I still have much to learn myself. I think this went well

Good luck to the OP

 

[barabootom]

I've had scorps eat their young before and I didn't have any crickets in the enclosure. The crickets may not have been the reason. How big was the enclosure? Were the crickets all hiding under a rock in the corner or were they jumping all over? Were the crickets small or adults? Was the enclosure in bright light? How dry was it? What were the temps? Had the babies already reached 2nd instar?

If someone asks for help you should help and not turn the thread into a debate on googling.

 

[Michiel]

I've had scorps eat their young before and I didn't have any crickets in the enclosure. The crickets may not have been the reason. How big was the enclosure? Were the crickets all hiding under a rock in the corner or were they jumping all over? Were the crickets small or adults? Was the enclosure in bright light? How dry was it? What were the temps? Had the babies already reached 2nd instar?

If someone asks for help you should help and not turn the thread into a debate on googling.

Me too, I have had mothers of B.gigas eating whole broods without any prey item in the enclosure. External stimuli (like taking pictures, peaking, loud music, wrong captive conditions etc etc) Nevertheless, it is well known that prey items running around in an enclosure, especially in the numbers mentioned in this example, are a stressfactor for scorpions, and especially for scorpions that just gave birth. Don't underestimate this.
E.c. The crickets where most probably one of the biggest reasons she ate her brood.


About your last remark, I do not completely agree. Personally I like to learn people things by letting them think themselves. Answering a question does make the person who asked it, learn anything, so learning how they can find an answer and how to asses it, is much more valuable than depositary transmission of knowledge

 

[Kathy]

Wow, it's no wonder so many people are afraid to ask questions on here.

To the OP, I'm sorry you lost the scorpion and her babies, I'm sure you were excited when the had the babies and it was sad to lose them. I hope you have better luck next time.

 

[Versi*JP*Color]

Come on Paul,

I think that one should know what they are keeping and how they should keep it. Doing your homework, which means nosing around for 15 minutes here one this board, you would have had enough info, is given the species (which is very common in the hobby, so there is a lot of info), not a very difficult or time costing effort.
Throwing in 8 crickets for one scorpion is not necessary anyway, especially when they are gravid. By the way, I ended my post with some well meant advice, so I was not only being a smarty pants, but I also helped him out a little.
If you are concerned about the animals, you would agree with me. Learn first, then buy....do you buy buy a car before you can drive it?

Regards, Michiel

Regards, Michiel

Who says he knew nothing about the scorp,who says he was ready for the thing to be pregnant.When doing your 'homework' its how to take care of it not get ready for pregnancy.

 

[gromgrom]

Who says he knew nothing about the scorp,who says he was ready for the thing to be pregnant.When doing your 'homework' its how to take care of it not get ready for pregnancy.

edit: this is not directed at spyderboy

this discussion is meaningless. its obvious people will never do their homework for basic care requirements, hilariously enough, for the specie with the most information available in books and the internet! and in all actuality, it took me three seconds in google to get the answer to his question.

and by the way, it's not a matter of the community being mean to newcomers, it is newcomers who somehow arent able to bring up google, except to get here and ask an already answered question. GUESS WHAT. I did that for HOURS AND HOURS before i got my emperors and got into the hobby. and if i couldnt find an answer, or was confused due to conflicting sources, only then did i ask, as i found everything else in google or through a quick search on here.

it literally takes less time to look it up in google than it does to create an account just to ask one question. heck, i dont mind answering sometimes, but thats the reason i left SF, was because of just a ton of newcomers who just had emperors asking the same questions over and over.

i wanted to find new information, more information, and get into buthids and other species outside of the norm. I like this site because i see new scorpions every few months that i've never seen pics of or heard of before.

not the same emperors over and over. heck, i sold mine! if that shows how i felt about them. i love my jacksoni, my arizonensis, my gracilis.

 

[AzJohn]

Hi folks,
Personnaly I didn't see anything wrong with Michiel's first post. To me, it was informative and factual. It offered real addvice and explained why somthing happened. Over stimulating mother scorpions is a beginers mistake, one that I've made. Do your homework is good addvice. Maybe I just have thicker skin than a lot of people. I've been very upset with a lot of post that offer nothing to the OP but insult. We have had some of those fairly recently. I didn't think that post was insulting at all. It might have "politically incorrect", I guess.

Anyways, you folks do realize that Michiel knows more about keeping and breeding scorpions, especially South American species like tityus, than anyone else posting on this thread. If he wants to be critical of me on every one of my post, I'm okay with it. If it's the cost of his expertise. Personally I'd rather get my feeling hurt and get things right then 10 pages of empathy that doesn't really help me out.


John