Mites vs Springtails in my cages... humidity question

BolusMe

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Hey all! I've been raising T's for about half a year, after proving to myself I could keep the first one alive. Yesterday, I noticed a mite outbreak on my most recent purchase, an OBT and realized it was also in most of my other cages. I'm going to provide as much detail as I can below, but to summarize: should I increase moisture and add more springtails, so there's no food for the mites? or should I dry out the enclosures, let everything but the t die, and start over w/new springtails added?

I have 3 avic-types, and then a varied collection w/my other 6, so I'm having trouble figuring out how to solve this and get everyone thru it. All have springtails, and the only ones unaffected are the ones with the most.

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My primary concern with this, is that drying out all the enclosures may harm some of my species, like my slings, and rehousing everyone will be a huge chore, and traumatic to my first a. avic metallica that has been rehoused 3 times already :( maybe I've messed up here, and went too crazy, getting too many spiders. I can def adjust to handle it, but I feel overwhelmed by this and like it's do or die for my lil friends.

I have springtails in all my cages, and noticed that the one with the most springtails, my p. cambridgei that was bought w/a completely saturated substrate and never added water to, was the only one I can tell is clean. Also, my incei gold, that I keep pretty dry, and my mustard baboon (same, pretty dry), appear to be clean, but i haven't inspected as closely. All 3 "clean" spiders have healthy, visible populations of springtails in there.

My 3 avic types, kept dry w/a water dish, seem to be the most effected. My first, the a. avic, has springtails & isopods, and doesn't appear bothered... but after noticing the mites, i remembered my versicolor and diversipes were walking around a ton, and grooming a ton, both also kicked off a patch of hairs but idk when that happened.

The mites seem to be mostly on the sides of the enclosures, not in the soil w/the springtails, so maybe eating avic poo on the sides? they're all kept pretty clean tho...
I looked rly closely and don't see any mites on the spiders themselves.

Last detail, the mites were brought in on my OBT i believe. it was bought from a reptile shop, and they're all over in it's container. Still tho, don't see any on it, and I looked rly hard on it. They've infected my c. lividum and nhandu chromatus sling cages as well. I also added more springtails to every enclosure yesterday...

Anyways, I'm trying to dry out the cages even further, I don't know if the mites will bother/harm my t's. Some could be baby springtails, but I looked w/a microscope and there are def mites on most. The mites look like white round things that almost appear hairy, and move slowly on the sides of the enclosure.

Thanks so much to anyone who can help! I just want to know if my t's are in danger, and how to fix it.
 

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should I increase moisture and add more springta
Only if you want to cultivate the mites.
should I dry out the enclosures, let everything
Thats always the easiest solution.
'm having trouble figuring out how to solve this and get everyone thru it. All ha
Mites arent harmful to your ts...theyre more an annoyyance....they are no different than springtails...just cleaners.

y primary concern with this, is that drying out all the enclosures may harm some of my species, like my slings,
It wont...i occassionally dry all my enclosures, slings to adults.

ave springtails in all my cages,
Well they will only survive damp conditions, so its pointless to have them in dry enclosures like baboons or your avics.

I dont get the springtail fascination in this hobby right now....i dont and likely wont ever use springtails....thryre not a requirement for keeping ts, thats for sure...fwiw

Also, my incei gold, that I keep pretty dry,
Incei absolutely are a moisture dependent species...it can dry from time to time, but it should really be kept damp most of the time.

I'm trying to dry out the cages even further,'
perfect.

, I don't know if the mites will bother/harm my ts
They wont.
 

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I have a combination of soil mites, grain mites, and springtails in my enclosures and I just let them be. I have never seen them on my tarantulas and I have never witnessed any behaviour that would suggest that my tarantulas even know that they are there... let alone are annoyed by them.
 

draconisj4

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I have springtails in my humid enclosures and have also seen a few mites here and there in most of my other enclosures, mostly in water dishes in the winter when it's very dry. I don't worry about it and just change the water a little more often then. Mites aren't a problem unless the enclosure is crawling with them, they are just another clean up crew.
 

BolusMe

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Only if you want to cultivate the mites.

Thats always the easiest solution.


Mites arent harmful to your ts...theyre more an annoyyance....they are no different than springtails...just cleaners.

It wont...i occassionally dry all my enclosures, slings to adults.


Well they will only survive damp conditions, so its pointless to have them in dry enclosures like baboons or your avics.

I dont get the springtail fascination in this hobby right now....i dont and likely wont ever use springtails....thryre not a requirement for keeping ts, thats for sure...fwiw



Incei absolutely are a moisture dependent species...it can dry from time to time, but it should really be kept damp most of the time.

perfect.



They wont.
Big win again to coldblood, lots of info and answers to each question. The ones that are more moisture dependent will either have the springtails survive, or they'll all die and I'll add more from my population-exploded culture of the lil springtails. I know you said you're not a fan, I just don't want to worry about mold growing on the boluses that I don't find etc. Had mold in my A. avic's enclosure in first month before I rehoused for optimal vent w/dry substrate, so I freaked out and added springtails to all my enclosures since.

Note taken on my incei too, been keeping it more humid in there for it :)
I addressed this all w/my T's last week but thought I'd reply and say thanks

I have a combination of soil mites, grain mites, and springtails in my enclosures and I just let them be. I have never seen them on my tarantulas and I have never witnessed any behaviour that would suggest that my tarantulas even know that they are there... let alone are annoyed by them.
Thanks, that provides some peace of mind. I noticed new behavior in a few of my slings days before, but I didn't see any mites on them. In nature there's tons of other bugs all over, and T's do fine. I wanna minimize risk for mine, but if yours are not stressed by it, makes sense. I just worry about my lil friends all the time, too much probably :)
 
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I dont get the springtail fascination in this hobby right now
They NEVER bother T's and you never have to clean enclosures of bolus, poop, uneaten prey, mold, etc. that have a healthy springtail population. They make OW burrowers worry free. But to each their own.
 

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They NEVER bother T's and you never have to clean enclosures of bolus, poop, uneaten prey, mold, etc. that have a healthy springtail population. They make OW burrowers worry free. But to each their own.
Now dont misinterpret or misunderstand...I never said they werent beneficial or that they shouldnt be used by anyone....i was just saying that many talk about them like they are a requirement, which they arent....but theres certainly never any harm in using them in the appropriate enclosures.

Just because I dont use them, doesnt mean you shouldnt;)
 

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i was just saying that many talk about them like they are a requirement, which they arent....but theres certainly never any harm in using them in the appropriate enclosures.
I've noticed this too. Someone asked about adding them to their enclosures on FB the other day and the person only had arid species. I said that they required damp soil to survive and would never survive in arid enclosures. It seems to be a trendy thing to add springtails and isopods, but they aren't going to survive with most species.
I didn't add mine, I got them as a bonus in the soil that I was using. For the most part, they die off quickly in the tarantula enclosures, but they have been a welcomed addition in my gecko bioactive and in my Amblypygi and Emperor scorpion enclosures. I'm just as happy with my soil mites too, because they eat fungus gnat larvae and those fungus gnats are a nightmare.
 
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