"mating" VS "breeding"

[barabootom]

Well Well Well, picky picky. In the United States, where I live, the terms are pretty much a synonym. I speak my native language, and would like to think I have more than a basic grasp on said language. let us look at the word mate.
#the officer below the master on a commercial ship
#teammate: a fellow member of a team; "it was his first start against his former teammates"
# the partner of an animal (especially a sexual partner); "he loved the mare and all her mates"; "camels hate leaving their mates"
# spouse: a person's partner in marriage
# match: an exact duplicate; "when a match is found an entry is made in the notebook"
# one of a pair; "he lost the mate to his shoe"; "one eye was blue but its fellow was brown"
# South American holly; leaves used in making a drink like tea
# copulate: engage in sexual intercourse; "Birds mate in the Spring"
# informal term for a friend of the same sex
# match: bring two objects, ideas, or people together; "This fact is coupled to the other one"; "Matchmaker, can you match my daughter with a nice young man?"; "The student was paired with a partner for collaboration on the project"
# South American tea-like drink made from leaves of a South American holly called mate


Sooooo as you can see, there are many definitions for words, not just the one that you learned. Quit being picky. If the author gets his point across, it was effective, no?:wall: :wall: :wall:

Hurray!!! You are exactly correct. :clap:

 

[Lopez]

Maybe it is my poor understanding of the english language not being my first one, but is it not different to breed and to mate?

I mean, I read on any boards (not just here) all the time, "tonight I bred my C. cyaneopubescens"! I really wonder how that can happen because it takes me several months to sucessfully breed any species... anyone has any tricks? I am not pointing at anyone in particular, it is just a general observation.

Anyway, maybe it is just me, but I find there are miles apart between a successful breeding and a sucessful mating so I think it would be nice if people would start making the distinction when they write the titles of the threads. They are sometimes very misleading. When I read " XX species breeding", I hope to see some pictures of babies or anything that would point out to a successfull breeding, not an announcement that someone mated one of their females.

Anyhow, sorry for the complaint, just that this bugged me for such a long time now, I just need to vent I guess! LOL

All the best in all your breeding projects!


Martin

I have to agree with you Martin. In America it might be acceptable to say that mating and breeding are the same thing. I don't agree.

If I told people in the UK or Europe that I had bred or been breeding M.balfouri, they would want to know how many spiderlings I had got from the breeding.

Mating is just that - mating. I mate with my girlfriend regularly, but we haven't bred anything!

 

[barabootom]

I have to agree with you Martin. In America it might be acceptable to say that mating and breeding are the same thing. I don't agree.

If I told people in the UK or Europe that I had bred or been breeding M.balfouri, they would want to know how many spiderlings I had got from the breeding.

Mating is just that - mating. I mate with my girlfriend regularly, but we haven't bred anything!

It might be correct in Great Britain but the definition is less strict in American English. There are definitely differences in our English language. That's why, if you study English seriously in Latin America, you choose an American English school or a British English school, not just an English language school. Some would say that the correct English is the British English because Britain is home of the mother language and everything else is a degradation. I, however, believe that language is not static and if many people use it in a way that does not follow a textbook and are communicating with it, then it is correct and who cares what the stuff shirts say? So I would say there is more than one way to use the terms to breed and to mate so neither of us is really wrong. Now if you don't mind mate, I need to go to the market so I'm taking the lift downstairs so I can fix my lory.

 

[Drachenjager]

It might be correct in Great Britain but the definition is less strict in American English. There are definitely differences in our English language. That's why, if you study English seriously in Latin America, you choose an American English school or a British English school, not just an English language school. Some would say that the correct English is the British English because Britain is home of the mother language and everything else is a degradation. I, however, believe that language is not static and if many people use it in a way that does not follow a textbook and are communicating with it, then it is correct and who cares what the stuff shirts say? So I would say there is more than one way to use the terms to breed and to mate so neither of us is really wrong. Now if you don't mind mate, I need to go to the market so I'm taking the lift downstairs so I can fix my lory.

while you are there can you pick me up a pack of fags and toss them in the boot?

 

[gambite]

mating = sex

breeding = the overall process of trying to get babies from your animals

 

[The Red Queen]

Throwing in my 2 cents, as an American who has been living in Canada for 3 years...


Martin (Tarcan) and I have a rather large tarantula collection, and we attempt to breed many of them. With so many animals, it is important for us to keep our definitions of certain words and phrases clear. For us, mating and breeding are two different events. Let me try to explain what these words and phases mean for us:

Mating/mated: In an average year, we "mate" around 100 pairs of tarantulas, meaning the male has copulated with the female and we observed the insertion. We do not consider a "mated" female to be bred. We have lots of mated females, but they do not all result in a successful breeding. When a female has been mated we know that she has the potential to produce an eggsac, so we give her extra attention, making sure she is well fed and has the proper temperature and humidity.

From these "matings" we average 35 successful eggsacs per year, a successful eggsac being one that yields live offspring (dud eggsacs or females eating/abandoning the eggsacs do not count).

Breed/bred: When we have a tarantula pair, mate them, and get a successful eggsac (in other words, have been involved in the process from start to finish) then we say we have successfully "bred" this species.

If we send a mature male out on loan, we have not bred the species.
If we receive a gravid female from another source who produces an eggsac while in our care, we have not bred the species.

Have Bred/ Actively Breeding/ Attempting to Breed: When we work with specimens, mate pairs, and it results in an eggsac(s), then we "have bred" the species. When we work with several specimens of a specific species, consistantly have successful eggsacs, and consistantly repeat the process, then we say we are "actively breeding" the species. If we work with specimens, mate pairs, but do not yet have successful eggsacs, then we are "attempting to breed" the species.


So anyway, everyone here on the boards can use the word mating and breeding as they want. This is just the way Martin and I use these words here at our place. Like I said, with so many animals, if we do not keep things clear, it can get pretty confusing to keep track of everything.

 

[Drachenjager]

Throwing in my 2 cents, as an American who has been living in Canada for 3 years...


Martin (Tarcan) and I have a rather large tarantula collection, and we attempt to breed many of them. With so many animals, it is important for us to keep our definitions of certain words and phrases clear. For us, mating and breeding are two different events. Let me try to explain what these words and phases mean for us:

Mating/mated: In an average year, we "mate" around 100 pairs of tarantulas, meaning the male has copulated with the female and we observed the insertion. We do not consider a "mated" female to be bred. We have lots of mated females, but they do not all result in a successful breeding. When a female has been mated we know that she has the potential to produce an eggsac, so we give her extra attention, making sure she is well fed and has the proper temperature and humidity.

From these "matings" we average 35 successful eggsacs per year, a successful eggsac being one that yields live offspring (dud eggsacs or females eating/abandoning the eggsacs do not count).

Breed/bred: When we have a tarantula pair, mate them, and get a successful eggsac (in other words, have been involved in the process from start to finish) then we say we have successfully "bred" this species.

If we send a mature male out on loan, we have not bred the species.
If we receive a gravid female from another source who produces an eggsac while in our care, we have not bred the species.

Have Bred/ Actively Breeding/ Attempting to Breed: When we work with specimens, mate pairs, and it results in an eggsac(s), then we "have bred" the species. When we work with several specimens of a specific species, consistantly have successful eggsacs, and consistantly repeat the process, then we say we are "actively breeding" the species. If we work with specimens, mate pairs, but do not yet have successful eggsacs, then we are "attempting to breed" the species.


So anyway, everyone here on the boards can use the word mating and breeding as they want. This is just the way Martin and I use these words here at our place. Like I said, with so many animals, if we do not keep things clear, it can get pretty confusing to keep track of everything.

the real problem lies with the fact that English in any form sucks for a language.
A horse that was has been bred can mean she is pregnant or that she has a little one chasing after her. Many horse breeders refer to a mare that has been mounted by a stud as a bred mare. She may or may not foal but...
since a T dosent get pregnant, the term if pretty bogus
Also, since a T can lay an egg sac with out ever being in the same country as a male of her species your reply is even more bogus. You seem to imply that only a mated T can produce an egg sac at all.
ANYWAY. ITs probably best to get the terms straight lol
maybe we shoudl all speak Greek or German

 

[clam1991]

guys the op just wanted to know why some people used the word mate and some use breed

and im sure if he had a hard time understanding why people used mate and breed then how is he going to understand all this gibberish?

 

[The Red Queen]

Also, since a T can lay an egg sac with out ever being in the same country as a male of her species your reply is even more bogus. You seem to imply that only a mated T can produce an egg sac at all.

When exactly did I imply an unmated female could not produce an eggsac? I did not bring up phantom eggsacs in my post because I thought it was obvious that a female who has never been with with a male cannot have a fertile eggsac or successfully bred. I fail to see anything "bogus" in my post.

 

[DrAce]

When exactly did I imply an unmated female could not produce an eggsac? I did not bring up phantom eggsacs in my post because I thought it was obvious that a female who has never been with with a male cannot have a fertile eggsac or successfully bred. I fail to see anything "bogus" in my post.

Agreed. There was nothing to imply that an infertile sac would count as a mating or a breeding.

 

[metallica]

Martin you big party pooper! what's next, i can't say my tarantula is gravid anymore?

 

[The Red Queen]

what's next, i can't say my tarantula is gravid anymore?

Damn right! LOL!;P