Mantis and mouse.... video

[Scorpfanatic]

this is frwaky and sick man y did they do that?

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[Scythemantis]

If this is the video of a mantis eating a pinkie mouse, this was discussed before, and it was deleted for being completely inappropriate.

 

[Mithrandir]

no, unfortunately it's not. This is the one wher they put a mantis and an adult mouse together in a small jarr. Idiots...

 

[Tarantula_Hawk]

stupid and sad... very sad....

 

[stonemantis]

That guy should be put in a cage with an adult grizzly bear and see which one survives. I mean it's a similar scenerio.

Thought on observation: I had no idea the mantis would win though. I'm not for this by any means but it just struck a tiny interesting thought.

In short: Inappropriate

 

[Beardo]

People who get enjoyment out of this sort of thing need a good public flogging followed by years of psycho-therapy. Simply pathetic.

 

[jbrd]

People who get enjoyment out of this sort of thing need a good public flogging followed by years of psycho-therapy. Simply pathetic.

Two wrongs still wont makle it right

 

[Fini]

Its kind of a snuff film. I'm sure the guy pulled wings off flies (or worse) as a child.

 

[Stylopidae]

My reply to the first mouse video stands. No reason for this at all.

Cool? You all are kidding, right?

Normally I defend vertebrate feeding to the death when it's done for some nutritional value, but this is just simply cruelty to animals.

The pinkie is most likely alive in the final pic. If the injuries don't get him, the resulting infection most likely will.

There is no reason at all to feed a pinkie to a mantis.

I know someone's going to say: 'but evil...this is sumthing that would happn in the wyld. liten up LOL!!!11'

BS...a mantis wouldn't find a pinkie in the wild due to the fact that they are found in different parts of their respective habitats.

I hate people who do that.

This isn't the image we need for the hobby, some sadistic <edit> throwing animals to their pets for the sheer enjoyment of watching them eat.

 

[Beardo]

Two wrongs still wont makle it right

So people who abuse animals for their own entertainment should receive a slap on the wrist for their atrocities? Sorry, but overlooking one wrong definitely won't make a right either.

 

[cacoseraph]

Two wrongs still wont makle it right

no, he's got a good plan... the therapy after kind of covers over the flogging

the flogging is to warn other, the therapy after is to fix the person

 

[Texas Blonde]

That is sick and very sad. The kind of person who would do that definatly does need therapy.

 

[Randolph XX()]

u enjoy to re-heat up the crowd, arn't u Mr./Ms.Walton?

feeders are feeders
i even know ppl who feed puppies from stray dogs to their monitors and pythons
as long as they r not using human beings as feeders, i don't think there is anything wrong with it
besides, lots of our animals are carnis, and we farmed other animals for our own good
plus, a lot of non-wetsern cultural areas have their own food culture consider as barbaric, such as dog-eating in Korea, monkey brains and bear palms in China, and bug-eating in a various different countries
so plz do not judge others' moral value by ur own backgrounds, otherwise it will be disrespecting or even insulting others' culture
cheers

 

[Scorpfanatic]

im sorry i didnt know that it had been posted// :?

 

[Scythemantis]

u enjoy to re-heat up the crowd, arn't u Mr./Ms.Walton?

feeders are feeders
i even know ppl who feed puppies from stray dogs to their monitors and pythons
as long as they r not using human beings as feeders, i don't think there is anything wrong with it
besides, lots of our animals are carnis, and we farmed other animals for our own good
plus, a lot of non-wetsern cultural areas have their own food culture consider as barbaric, such as dog-eating in Korea, monkey brains and bear palms in China, and bug-eating in a various different countries
so plz do not judge others' moral value by ur own backgrounds, otherwise it will be disrespecting or even insulting others' culture
cheers

Are you sure you're in the right thread? Because everything you just said here is completely irrelevant to the topic. Culture has nothing to do with it. There is no PURPOSE to feeding a mouse to a mantis. The insect gains nothing, the encounter would never even occur in the wild, and it sure as hell isn't cheaper than crickets or anything. This was done solely in the name of "entertainment", and you CANNOT argue about "cultural background" here. It's babyish, revolting, and anyone who does stuff like this should be locked up.

And "feeders are feeders" is right: using live vertebrates as food for anything is just senseless carnage. It is a FACT that virtually no vertebrate predator "requires" live feedings. ALL carnivorous reptiles can be raised to accept pre-killed, and should. It is inarguably safer and healthier for them in the long run.

The only instance in which I consider live feeders acceptable is for the feeding of any predator that has been captured from the wild (and might never adapt to a new diet), but the only instance in which I consider that appropriate is for scientific or conservation purposes. Nothing should be snatched from the natural world to be someone's "conversation piece" and nothing should ever, ever die just because someone thinks it "looks cool".

When it comes to this subject a LOT of people need to just grow the hell up...we are talking about living, breathing organisms, not TOYS.

 

[Scorpendra]

ugh...i hate sadists who get off to these kind of things. that bear idea would sound about right, but then he'd go down jerking it as he's mutilated.

When it comes to this subject a LOT of people need to just grow the hell up...we are talking about living, breathing organisms, not TOYS.

people like those give our hobby a bad name.

 

[Hedorah99]

Are you sure you're in the right thread? Because everything you just said here is completely irrelevant to the topic. Culture has nothing to do with it. There is no PURPOSE to feeding a mouse to a mantis. The insect gains nothing, the encounter would never even occur in the wild, and it sure as hell isn't cheaper than crickets or anything. This was done solely in the name of "entertainment", and you CANNOT argue about "cultural background" here. It's babyish, revolting, and anyone who does stuff like this should be locked up.

And "feeders are feeders" is right: using live vertebrates as food for anything is just senseless carnage. It is a FACT that virtually no vertebrate predator "requires" live feedings. ALL carnivorous reptiles can be raised to accept pre-killed, and should. It is inarguably safer and healthier for them in the long run.

The only instance in which I consider live feeders acceptable is for the feeding of any predator that has been captured from the wild (and might never adapt to a new diet), but the only instance in which I consider that appropriate is for scientific or conservation purposes. Nothing should be snatched from the natural world to be someone's "conversation piece" and nothing should ever, ever die just because someone thinks it "looks cool".

When it comes to this subject a LOT of people need to just grow the hell up...we are talking about living, breathing organisms, not TOYS.

Well said :clap:

 

[Randolph XX()]

Are you sure you're in the right thread? Because everything you just said here is completely irrelevant to the topic. Culture has nothing to do with it. There is no PURPOSE to feeding a mouse to a mantis. The insect gains nothing, the encounter would never even occur in the wild, and it sure as hell isn't cheaper than crickets or anything. This was done solely in the name of "entertainment", and you CANNOT argue about "cultural background" here. It's babyish, revolting, and anyone who does stuff like this should be locked up.

And "feeders are feeders" is right: using live vertebrates as food for anything is just senseless carnage. It is a FACT that virtually no vertebrate predator "requires" live feedings. ALL carnivorous reptiles can be raised to accept pre-killed, and should. It is inarguably safer and healthier for them in the long run.

The only instance in which I consider live feeders acceptable is for the feeding of any predator that has been captured from the wild (and might never adapt to a new diet), but the only instance in which I consider that appropriate is for scientific or conservation purposes. Nothing should be snatched from the natural world to be someone's "conversation piece" and nothing should ever, ever die just because someone thinks it "looks cool".

When it comes to this subject a LOT of people need to just grow the hell up...we are talking about living, breathing organisms, not TOYS.

then why r u so mad about ppl who feed dogs to their animals in ur PM?
i bet water monitors eat carcas of dogs in their habitat, also some other pythons
and by ur means "imprison those ppl", do u want to lock all koreans or Chinese who eat dogs in prison?
apply to ur words, we don't really need dogs for food, rite?

ppl feed rodents to animals other than snakes, which are really not neccessary, but is it unethical?

also, how can u be so sure mantids do not eat rodents in the wild?

okay, i accept that it might be part of entertainmant for that certain hobbyist, but what's the differences between watching a mantid eating a roach alive and kicking or a pinky still breathing?

cuz they are warm blooded animals that closer to our kind and they feel the pain but inverts do not?
maybe the pain of inverts is not the kind u could ever imagine

and u r so sur that science is always right, but scientists used to claim the earth is flat

also, r u saying that it is totally nature for us to breed inverts as feeders in our homes ?

i am not trying to mutilate anyting, but u simply make me feel ur point of view is biased or eurocentric

 

[Scythemantis]

then why r u so mad about ppl who feed dogs to their animals in ur PM?
i bet water monitors eat carcas of dogs in their habitat, also some other pythons
and by ur means "imprison those ppl", do u want to lock all koreans or Chinese who eat dogs in prison?
apply to ur words, we don't really need dogs for food, rite?

You are SERIOUSLY confusing the issue here.

I don't care if it's a dog, a pig, or a rat. The problem is --->LIVE<--- feeding. Are you saying that Koreans eat dogs ALIVE? Kicking and screaming? That's news to me. Stop trying to turn this into a political thing. Technically humans don't need to eat meat at all, but we're not chasing cows down and tearing into them while they flail for their lives.

And it's also inarguable that a mouse feels and thinks a lot more than a cricket. I believe insects are more concious than science accepts but there is no doubt that a mouse feels levels of panic and fear that few invertebrates are capable of.

 

[Parahybana3590]

then why r u so mad about ppl who feed dogs to their animals in ur PM?
i bet water monitors eat carcas of dogs in their habitat, also some other pythons
and by ur means "imprison those ppl", do u want to lock all koreans or Chinese who eat dogs in prison?
apply to ur words, we don't really need dogs for food, rite?

ppl feed rodents to animals other than snakes, which are really not neccessary, but is it unethical?

also, how can u be so sure mantids do not eat rodents in the wild?

okay, i accept that it might be part of entertainmant for that certain hobbyist, but what's the differences between watching a mantid eating a roach alive and kicking or a pinky still breathing?

cuz they are warm blooded animals that closer to our kind and they feel the pain but inverts do not?
maybe the pain of inverts is not the kind u could ever imagine

and u r so sur that science is always right, but scientists used to claim the earth is flat

also, r u saying that it is totally nature for us to breed inverts as feeders in our homes ?

i am not trying to mutilate anyting, but u simply make me feel ur point of view is biased or eurocentric

Ok...take everything you said in this thread and ask yourself, "Does this have anything to do with the topic?", we are saying (from what I can tell) is that it is not necissary to feed a praying mantis a mouse because the praying mantis is not going to eat a whole mouse and it is a waste of: "food", money and it is sick to think about because, unlike a cricket that will be eaten quickly by a praying mantis, a mouse will feel the pain of the mantis' saliva (which I believe is acidic to soften a bug's exoskeleton),the mantis's claws which I have a scar on my finger from, and not to mention the pain of being eaten alive. With a cricket, usually the pm will take off the head first (speaking from watching mine do that time and time again) so that the cricket feels pain for a short while. A mouse however will feel that pain longer because there is more to it, which in the end ends up as a bloody mess which was very risky and unnecessary,risky because the pm could get hurt if the bites/claws the pm in defence.
I mean, really, you are taking what we're saying and making it much more complicated than what it is, all we're saying is that it is a bad idea and in my opinion in-humane (however, that is my opinion, I'm not trying to "force" it on you) to feed a praying mantis a mouse for the sheer entertainment.

maybe the pain of inverts is not the kind u could ever imagine

And tell me, can you imagine the pain that mouse was feeling? I know I can't but I do know one thing, the pain lasted longer than that of a cricket or a roach.