MALE COBALT??? Help Identifing

[Steelweb]

Bought this guy about two years ago as a Haplopelma Lividum sling, it's now some type of mature male. I have attempted to breed with female Haplopelma Lividum, they lived with each other for about two weeks. He ended up with a missing leg, otherwise tip top shape. Don't know if they mated or not, guess I'll find out in the near future. But if anyone can id from these two pictures it would be awesome.

http://photobucket.com/albums/d95/steelweb/Male%20Hap/

 

[becca81]

Looks like a typical H. lividum mature male to me - was it blue before its ultimate molt?

 

[surena]

Hey Donnie,
As I have already talk to you about him, I think he is a little too brown to look like a cobalt blue. I may be wrong, but can anyone see that ? Most mature cobalt blue males that I have seen, have had the very dark blue and gray color.

 

[David_F]

Hey Donnie,
As I have already talk to you about him, I think he is a little too brown to look like a cobalt blue. I may be wrong, but can anyone see that ? Most mature cobalt blue males that I have seen, have had the very dark blue and gray color.

Immature coloration is gonna be more important in telling whether this is a H. lividum (if it wasn't blue at any time I would stop trying to mate it to the lividum female). If he raised it from spiderling to adult he should know if it was ever blue. It does seem awfully brown but I've not seen that many mature male cobalts.

 

[FryLock]

Im guessing this male "Hap" has no tibial apophysis??

 

[Lopez]

If you'd have bothered getting him identified before you attempted to mate him with the wrong species then he might still have 8 legs.

 

[Garbonzo13]

Ouch, the guy is asking an honest question. He states he bought it as an H. Lavidium, so he asumed the sales person had a clue about what they were selling. Cut him some slack. Anyhow, can you get a closer shot of it Steelweb?

 

[surena]

It may very well be a H. Lividum. I guess, time will tell.

 

[Steelweb]

No, he was never blue, or any other color besides what he is now(he might have been a little darker as a sling). But, I have done some research and have not had a clear understanding of coloration on the adult male hap. lividum. I took my chances and stuck him in, knowing the possibility of having a cross breed or high bred (or what ever the heck the experts "LOPEZ" want to call it.) As for a better picture I'll try to upload one soon. Lopez as for the missing leg, dude I think you need to chillax a little, spiders lose legs everyday, it's something that just happens. Appreciate all the help!

 

[becca81]

If it was never blue, then it may very well not be Haplopelma lividum, although someone with more knowledge about this genus may be able to tell you more. H. lividum males look just like females until their maturing molt, when they become brown/gray.

 

[GOD]

check this out to see how someone did it.
http://www.bighairyspiders.com/b_lividum.shtml
i have a male and female my self, but the female is not mature yet so i must wait. if you want PM me n ill let you know how my process is going.

Andrew

 

[Lopez]

But, I have done some research and have not had a clear understanding of coloration on the adult male hap. lividum. I took my chances and stuck him in, knowing the possibility of having a cross breed or high bred (or what ever the heck the experts "LOPEZ" want to call it.)

You say you have done some research - obviously not very much. You didn't take your chances, you took his chances - with the male being a different species (different genus entirely) there is a very high chance that the female would attack and more often than not kill the male. Sometimes, this is reversed and the male will attack the female.

Garbonzo, he's asking a question but it's shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted. He's already tried mating them! It's usually handy to ask the questions before you undertake the exercise.

 

[FryLock]

You say you have done some research - obviously not very much. You didn't take your chances, you took his chances - with the male being a different species (different genus entirely)

Id go one farther and say diff subfamily too Leon .

 

[M.F.Bagaturov]

I'm sorry, but Leon and Bill try to tell the original poster and owner of this tarantula that there're no way to correct ID this species by the pic (especieally of such a bad pic...) but seems so it is more obviousely be not Haplopelma lividum, which belongs to Ornithoctoniinae subfamily, but instead from different Selenocosmiinae subfamily - genus Chilobrachys.. it seems so look to me too...

 

[Steelweb]

Not to beat a dead horse, but LOPEZ I think you have some suppressed anger inside. Dude I've only been in the hobby some what serious for about a year now. I've ran across a lot of intelligent and helpful people through this site. You on the other hand are one of the rarity that like to think you know it all and play the all mighty spider Saviour of the word. As you and most hobbyist know that when two spiders are introduced to each other, there is always a high threat of potential death that can result, even with a pair of the same genus or species. As for finding out the true species, yes even though I have attempted to breed him, he still has time to fertilize a female. I think it is our obligation (if we come up with a male) to do our best to captive breed them, to keep down the numbers of wild caught spiders being stripped from their natural environment. I do appreciate the help even if it does come off hostile, this is called constructive criticism (it's sometime can be a fast way to learn). When I said "SOME" research I did only mean some, not "VAST HOURS" or "INFINITE". As we know there is only limited info on Chelicerata of the animal kingdom as we know it today. So bear with some of the people that are using this site as a generous source of information. And take a class on communicating with the rest of society. Thanks

 

[Ewok]

does mature male Haplopelma lividum also have the spurs and boxing glove pedipalps? Becaue i've seen some pics of males and could not tell if they were there.

 

[Jmadson13]

does mature male Haplopelma lividum also have the spurs and boxing glove pedipalps? Becaue i've seen some pics of males and could not tell if they were there.

no male spider is lacking embuli some do however lack tybial spurs, ultimate male Haplopelma sp. do posess tybial spurs.

I actually don't think this is even in the same genus as spiders, judging just by the appearance of the spider. Maybe Chilobrachys sp. I've seen C. huahini imported frequently and sold as "Asian bird eating spiders" though the interesting thing is that you bought this spider as a neonate, could have possibly been a mix up?

 

[Jmadson13]

As you and most hobbyist know that when two spiders are introduced to each other, there is always a high threat of potential death that can result, even with a pair of the same genus or species.

I would like to think that these are generalizations. I've had several matings with little or no incident of a female acting agressively towards her suitor. I'm not saying this doesn't happen but what we're spoonfed on nature programs is only the high excitment material most would like to see. I don't think anybody in the regular non spider savy populace would be very intrigued seeing a passive L. mactans courtship.

 

[phormingochilus]

Looks to me as a male of the species we know in the hobby as Chilobrachys andersoni.

I am amazed they accepted each others presence for so long actually as they are very from two different subfamilies with nothing nearer in common than being tarantulas.

I wouldn't be concerned about cross breeding with these two fellows, as both mating ritual and genital structure (and most likely the gene setup as well) of the two species is just too different to faciliate a succesful mating.

But make this a lesson to match the mating partners with care, both for your own sake (I need only say hybrid and I'm sure you get the drift) but also for the animals sake - as a lost leg in this regard must be relatively positive compared to being eaten.

Remember breeding isn't just about breeding anything with 8 legs but about breeding the right species together. If this is not done, well - then you have produced crap spiders that will most likely pollute the species kept in the hobby, which again creates a need for wild caught stock to renew or actually restart the breeding groups of the affected species. This is much the case with Ceratogyrus and Hysterocrates just to mention a few, but the mess is way bigger than that. So it's a good idea not to contribute to haphazardous breeding and to take the time to do it right, for all parties involved.

Regards and happy breeding - you obviously need a female for your male Chilobrachys and a male for your female H. lividum ;-)

Søren

Bought this guy about two years ago as a Haplopelma Lividum sling, it's now some type of mature male. I have attempted to breed with female Haplopelma Lividum, they lived with each other for about two weeks. He ended up with a missing leg, otherwise tip top shape. Don't know if they mated or not, guess I'll find out in the near future. But if anyone can id from these two pictures it would be awesome.

http://photobucket.com/albums/d95/steelweb/Male%20Hap/

 

[Lopez]

Not to beat a dead horse, but LOPEZ I think you have some suppressed anger inside. Dude I've only been in the hobby some what serious for about a year now. I've ran across a lot of intelligent and helpful people through this site. You on the other hand are one of the rarity that like to think you know it all and play the all mighty spider Saviour of the word.

That's fine. Please ignore my future posts