Looking for ideal 'trophy' T

[otoha0309]

What you do with your tarantulas comes off as quite selfish to me. You should know that they loosely tolerate the human hand at best, and if they had a choice, they would not be handled at all. There are times when we, as the keeper, must come into contact with the spider, but when those times come, it's our obligation to keep the stress to a minimum. What you are planning on doing is in complete disregard of that. If you care more about interacting with the spider than the health of the spider, consider a different pet.

i respectfully disagree.

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None of the larger Ts save for maybe G. pulchripes is exactly notoriously docile. They all can make deep punctures obviously, being as large as they are, so worrying about the puncture wound is self-defeating to the criteria. I may not exactly agree with the handling policy at all, but as long as you expect to be bit eventually I can throw a suggestion out there. Some experts try to handle everything to see what happens. In TKG, Stan states the Pamphobeteus genus is generally docile. I don't handle mine so I wouldn't know. They get large, 8 or 9", eat like crazy, and the variation in color is wide. On the downside, they are a little harder to find, so sometimes a bit pricey. There's very few bite reports from these, possibly supporting the docile characteristic, but it's rumored (possibly verified) that the venom is horrendous. At least it's something fun for you to google if not. I don't handle my male. He's only 3" now, but so far he seems skittish to me, and something about the sleek appearance tells me that a skittish one could travel a large distance in a short time heh.

Your approach was flawless, thank you sir. And your advice opens up more for me to research!

 

[cantthinkofone]

You respectfully disagree with anything that isn't what you want to hear. You may want to listen to what some of us have to say.

 

[Biollantefan54]

Nothing ReclusiveDemon said was disagreeable, everything he said was true. Anyways...a cat seems like a better pet.

 

[NGLepine]

Why is anyone even responding to this? You want something
Colourful, large, pretty to look at.... But scared of a dead OBT.... A confusing fella ain't ya!!!

Here it is, simple as can possibly be:

- we tell you that this will happen. You will get bit, maybe yourself or your 8legged pet will be injured or worse. Do you pet fish?? Prolly not eh, can't you just look at your hyper color T? ..... Oh right, you said that for those of us that'd argue with you.....

What you REALLY want... Is a list of everything flashy that we can come up with, and an argument because you're bored.



Here: don't touch em

Double here: Google: colourful tarantulas

Foot note: I wasted my time Reading this... Thanks

 

[akarikuragi]

I highly suggest getting a G. pulchripes. They tend to be very docile, they get good size, they are pretty, and their venom isn't bad. I don't know their growth rate but you can always get an adult/sub-adult if you don't want to wait.

 

[otoha0309]

so many people on their soapboxes over such a non-issue. please stick to the original topic of the thread.

 

[LordWaffle]

LP (lasiodora parahybana) would be my recommendation. They fit the large requirement, able to reach 10" in legspan. They are completely voracious, I've never had mine turn down any food at anytime except for when in late premolt, and they can be very docile. The most docile T I've vee encountered personally is Euathlus sp red that my friend owns, but my LP is docile enough to handle. I don't do it often, but it's very easy and she's very receptive to it. Their coloration is really cool too in my opinion. As has been said, though, if you want something to "sit with you" while you play Xbox, a T is not what you are looking for unless you keep it in its enclosure while you do it. If you want a lap animal, get somethig with a spine.

Edit: they grow like a weed too.

 

[windscorpions1]

If you want something thats a guaranteed handler get euathlus sp red just note they do not get the size you want they get about 3 inches. If you want something big and able to handle to an extent get a grammostola pulchripes. The G pulchripes can be a moody speices though so look out for that. As far as growth rate the euathlus sp red is very slow when growing and I am not sure about the G pulchripes. Both are also easy to care for.

 

[otoha0309]

thanks guys. thats all good advice that i will be looking into

 

[Whirligig]

Handling debate aside, for what you are looking for a B. smithi might fit the bill. The only bit of your criteria they don't fit would be that they are slow growing, but something else to consider is that their lifespan is so long. If you get a female you'll be able to have her for a long time, provided nothing bad happens to her during handling. Be careful and respect of her and pay attention to her stress levels. When you are looking, be sure to pay attention to the specific specimen and how they tolerate handling. even within species it can vary. Please don't eat me alive over this...

 

[otoha0309]

Handling debate aside, for what you are looking for a B. smithi might fit the bill. The only bit of your criteria they don't fit would be that they are slow growing, but something else to consider is that their lifespan is so long. If you get a female you'll be able to have her for a long time, provided nothing bad happens to her during handling. Be careful and respect of her and pay attention to her stress levels. When you are looking, be sure to pay attention to the specific specimen and how they tolerate handling. even within species it can vary. Please don't eat me alive over this...

no no no, see you approached me with respect, stuck to the topic, and gave me the benefit of the doubt that despite peoples lack of understanding the context of what ive been saying to others, i am actually capable of taking great care of my Ts and have their health in mind when i care for them and handle them. i took your meaning as you believe i can take care of myself and my Ts just fane. i GREATLY appreciate your comment actually thank you.

 

[TREX8]

G. Pulchripes or any Brachypelma, they tend to be slow growers and can be pricey for a larger one, but like stated if you get a female she will be your buddy for along time. My B. Emilia is a great eater and is always out to look at, he is easy to handle but he can be very stubborn.

 

[otoha0309]

G. Pulchripes or any Brachypelma, they tend to be slow growers and can be pricey for a larger one, but like stated if you get a female she will be your buddy for along time. My B. Emilia is a great eater and is always out to look at, he is easy to handle but he can be very stubborn.

My gf has 2 B. Vagans, one is a steady grower, but the other is growing really fast. like from 1" to about 2 1/2 or 3" in a month and a half and he is very very docile. sometimes seems eager to come out of his awesome burrow to hang out. My buddy Pablo lol one of my favs for sure. but he isnt mine hes hers *grumbles under breath*

EDIT: Pablo also eats like a horse, seriously its insane how much he likes to eat!!! He'd over feed himself if we let him i swear!!!

 

[viper69]

So im fairly new to the world of Ts... just my personal pal to raise, and handle, and call my own to be my gaming buddy lol. to sit with me while i play my xbox and stuff. though a breed is

trophy spider when i buy it, and i just want to know if there is a breed out there that default tends to fit this list:
No painful venom

BIG, i would really like a T that gets 7-8" or more
cool colors, not essential but something with a chance for really bright colors would be cool


docile, or typically docile to handle. i truly enjoy handling my spiders and want one i can bring out really anytime i want without fear of a bite. and when i say anytime i mean like every other day for hours if i want if thats possible.
Tends to display itself, i know thats more of a unique to each T kind of thing but some breeds.....

Any input would be appreciated and keep in mind, im still fairly noobish with Ts. however im not afraid of more advanced breeds

A good species for noobish people like yourself is the Chaco Golden Knee, I'd tell you the species name, but I don't believe you know what "species" is based on your writings. I have one, and it's a great. I've seen 2 females, they are LARGE. A trophy T? Is that like a trophy wife or trophy girlfriend? It sure sounds it.

Handling- I don't care if you handle a T or not, I could care less if you never get bit, or if you are first person to die as a result of being bit. It's up to you to handle a wild animal no one else. Just remember these are wild animals, they don't LIKE to be handled, they TOLERATE us based on their instinctual criteria of what feels like a perceived threat to them. By feel, I mean that literally, as in touch, not emotions.

Cool colors> Cool is a subjective term, and is USELESS. What you think is "cool", many of us may think is drool. So either look around yourself, or tells us specific colors you don't want.

Venom- The truth is, as you MIGHT know, it's a risk. There's no guarantee it won't be painful to you, or that if you get bit, you won't have an allergic reaction and go into shock. So aside from NW vs OW general venom trends that's the best one can do generally.

Also, Ts barely can see, so they don't care about Xbox haha, nor are they going to feel anything towards you ever. YOU sir, will not be their pal ever! That is beyond their nervous system.

There's no such thing as breed of T, the word is species, these aren't classified like your cat. Now, if you are ignorant of that fact, that's OK, there's nothing wrong with not knowing said info. For example, I'm HIGHLY ignorant regarding the details of particle physics. However, if you do know there are different species, but are using the word breed, that makes you appear quite uneducated to put it politely, others may think stupid. You are correct, you can call them whatever you want, and appear stupid, heck, why don't you call them zebras or flowers or bolts.

like for instance i believe it best to wait 6-7 days to feed a T post-molt while she is adamant on feeding them 1-3 days post molt.

It has nothing to do with beliefs, the FACT is both of you are wrong. You wait to feed a T when their fangs turn black after molting. Both of you read up on this otherwise you are not caring properly for these wild animals and ultimately your care will harm them on this issue of post-molt feeding.

there are somethings that are simple and universal. holding a spider doesnt hurt it, sure it creates a potential for bad things to happen but i feel im am careful enough.

As you are a self-described noob, and even if you weren't, no matter how careful you are, it doesn't matter, crap happens. Experts with far greater experience get bit "all the time". So be careful, but in the end, that won't prevent something going awry, simply put, they are faster than humans in certain situations. One moment it's sitting fine on your hand, the next if falls of the bed, or runs up onto your face or head. All faster than you can react typically.

people who slap their Ts in rubbermaid containers and only interact with them only during feedings always tend to have MUCH more aggressive and unhappy spiders, where i like to keep mine in nice custom enclosures and i handle them regularly and all but one of our spiders is friendly and easy to hold. Some clearly like it less than others and i do tend not to handle those much, but i still do so they are familiar with human touch so if my son wants to interact with them i myself am confident that they are much less likely to strike him. i handle 3 of ours spiders several times a week, for extended periods of time and have yet to ever have an issue. until one of my own Ts proves me entirely wrong i just dont wanna hear it. everyone is entitled to their opinion, but mine isnt open for debate. unless you can prove to me that my intensely careful handling of my Ts is somehow harming them well then you got nothing, and frankly all of my Ts are healty, happy, and friendly with the exception of one rose hair we saved from petco and she is just pissy because she was not raised properly.

Your opinion on rubbermaid containers is really amusing and laughable. Do you really THINK they know the difference between a Rubbermaid container and an Acrylic container that looks nicer? hahah If both setups are equally designed inside, they have no idea and will do well in either, w/neither making the T any more or less aggressive.

I have a pretty Rose Hair raised in a gorgeous setup and is truly aggressive/defensive, one might think it's an Old World T. Conversely, I had another Rose Hair raised in more spartan conditions actually when I first started in this hobby a long time ago and THAT T had an excellent disposition, quite human tolerant it was.

There's no scientific correlation between handling a T and changes in its disposition. You should do a lot of reading and research on purchase. Your future T might just need it. You have a lot of wrong/misconceptions regarding animal behavior. Good Luck.

 

[cantthinkofone]

A good species for noobish people like yourself is the Chaco Golden Knee, I'd tell you the species name, but I don't believe you know what "species" is based on your writings. I have one, and it's a great. I've seen 2 females, they are LARGE. A trophy T? Is that like a trophy wife or trophy girlfriend? It sure sounds it.

Handling- I don't care if you handle a T or not, I could care less if you never get bit, or if you are first person to die as a result of being bit. It's up to you to handle a wild animal no one else. Just remember these are wild animals, they don't LIKE to be handled, they TOLERATE us based on their instinctual criteria of what feels like a perceived threat to them. By feel, I mean that literally, as in touch, not emotions.

Cool colors> Cool is a subjective term, and is USELESS. What you think is "cool", many of us may think is drool. So either look around yourself, or tells us specific colors you don't want.

Venom- The truth is, as you MIGHT know, it's a risk. There's no guarantee it won't be painful to you, or that if you get bit, you won't have an allergic reaction and go into shock. So aside from NW vs OW general venom trends that's the best one can do generally.

Also, Ts barely can see, so they don't care about Xbox haha, nor are they going to feel anything towards you ever. YOU sir, will not be their pal ever! That is beyond their nervous system.

There's no such thing as breed of T, the word is species, these aren't classified like your cat. Now, if you are ignorant of that fact, that's OK, there's nothing wrong with not knowing said info. For example, I'm HIGHLY ignorant regarding the details of particle physics. However, if you do know there are different species, but are using the word breed, that makes you appear quite uneducated to put it politely, others may think stupid. You are correct, you can call them whatever you want, and appear stupid, heck, why don't you call them zebras or flowers or bolts.





It has nothing to do with beliefs, the FACT is both of you are wrong. You wait to feed a T when their fangs turn black after molting. Both of you read up on this otherwise you are not caring properly for these wild animals and ultimately your care will harm them on this issue of post-molt feeding.





As you are a self-described noob, and even if you weren't, no matter how careful you are, it doesn't matter, crap happens. Experts with far greater experience get bit "all the time". So be careful, but in the end, that won't prevent something going awry, simply put, they are faster than humans in certain situations. One moment it's sitting fine on your hand, the next if falls of the bed, or runs up onto your face or head. All faster than you can react typically.




Your opinion on rubbermaid containers is really amusing and laughable. Do you really THINK they know the difference between a Rubbermaid container and an Acrylic container that looks nicer? hahah If both setups are equally designed inside, they have no idea and will do well in either, w/neither making the T any more or less aggressive.

I have a pretty Rose Hair raised in a gorgeous setup and is truly aggressive/defensive, one might think it's an Old World T. Conversely, I had another Rose Hair raised in more spartan conditions actually when I first started in this hobby a long time ago and THAT T had an excellent disposition, quite human tolerant it was.

There's no scientific correlation between handling a T and changes in its disposition. You should do a lot of reading and research on purchase. Your future T might just need it. You have a lot of wrong/misconceptions regarding animal behavior. Good Luck.

this is all truthful and well constructed. Excellent job viper!

 

[otoha0309]

A good species for noobish people like yourself is the Chaco Golden Knee, I'd tell you the species name, but I don't believe you know what "species" is based on your writings. I have one, and it's a great. I've seen 2 females, they are LARGE. A trophy T? Is that like a trophy wife or trophy girlfriend? It sure sounds it.http://www.arachnoboards.com/ab/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=2234791

Handling- I don't care if you handle a T or not, I could care less if you never get bit, or if you are first person to die as a result of being bit. It's up to you to handle a wild animal no one else. Just remember these are wild animals, they don't LIKE to be handled, they TOLERATE us based on their instinctual criteria of what feels like a perceived threat to them. By feel, I mean that literally, as in touch, not emotions.

Cool colors> Cool is a subjective term, and is USELESS. What you think is "cool", many of us may think is drool. So either look around yourself, or tells us specific colors you don't want.

Venom- The truth is, as you MIGHT know, it's a risk. There's no guarantee it won't be painful to you, or that if you get bit, you won't have an allergic reaction and go into shock. So aside from NW vs OW general venom trends that's the best one can do generally.

Also, Ts barely can see, so they don't care about Xbox haha, nor are they going to feel anything towards you ever. YOU sir, will not be their pal ever! That is beyond their nervous system.

There's no such thing as breed of T, the word is species, these aren't classified like your cat. Now, if you are ignorant of that fact, that's OK, there's nothing wrong with not knowing said info. For example, I'm HIGHLY ignorant regarding the details of particle physics. However, if you do know there are different species, but are using the word breed, that makes you appear quite uneducated to put it politely, others may think stupid. You are correct, you can call them whatever you want, and appear stupid, heck, why don't you call them zebras or flowers or bolts.





It has nothing to do with beliefs, the FACT is both of you are wrong. You wait to feed a T when their fangs turn black after molting. Both of you read up on this otherwise you are not caring properly for these wild animals and ultimately your care will harm them on this issue of post-molt feeding.





As you are a self-described noob, and even if you weren't, no matter how careful you are, it doesn't matter, crap happens. Experts with far greater experience get bit "all the time". So be careful, but in the end, that won't prevent something going awry, simply put, they are faster than humans in certain situations. One moment it's sitting fine on your hand, the next if falls of the bed, or runs up onto your face or head. All faster than you can react typically.




Your opinion on rubbermaid containers is really amusing and laughable. Do you really THINK they know the difference between a Rubbermaid container and an Acrylic container that looks nicer? hahah If both setups are equally designed inside, they have no idea and will do well in either, w/neither making the T any more or less aggressive.

I have a pretty Rose Hair raised in a gorgeous setup and is truly aggressive/defensive, one might think it's an Old World T. Conversely, I had another Rose Hair raised in more spartan conditions actually when I first started in this hobby a long time ago and THAT T had an excellent disposition, quite human tolerant it was.

There's no scientific correlation between handling a T and changes in its disposition. You should do a lot of reading and research on purchase. Your future T might just need it. You have a lot of wrong/misconceptions regarding animal behavior. Good Luck.

I will respond to you simply because you put a lot of time and effort into your reply, all the more reason to find it hilarious. i mean im not sure if we were actually in person you could hear me from way up on that pedestal.

When i use the phrase 'trophy' its to say 'my coolest one' or the one i want to show off. I want a T that when people come over and i bring it out, or let them look at it in its enclosure, its just an impressive spider. That in no way implies a sense of neglect towards the T, quite the opposite to me actually. But a lot of what you said is also subjective, or just a straight up opinion of yours. Like for instance the fact that i type the word breed instead of species, i do that because its what i actually say, it fits comfortably in my midwestern english dialect thats all. And when i type longer items i tend to just start type like i talk. And its your opinion that i look stupid when i do so, well you are entitled to that enjoy your freedom of opinion sir, for this is the internet and in reality nobody actually cares.

From all of my readings, and reasearch its usually safe to assume the T can eat after a week, but its always best to test them with a water dropper first, which i try to do. my gf does not, she just chucks a cricket in there sometimes. Hence why i want to start getting my own Ts so i can take what i feel is more proper care of them.

And as far as rubbermaid containers, no my opinion holds some validity, even you can see. Whats the point of having a 'display only' pet, because almost everyone here seems to think of Ts that way based on your opinions, when you cant even see the pet through a milky, or even opaque rubbermaid container? What then becomes the point? If you truly want your Ts to be as happy and stress free as possible, all while keeping them as a 'display' why are you displaying them in a way where they cant even be seen? So what they cant see very well, or at least its assumed, you dont think it would be nice to have them somewhere where you can see them, and maybe they can see you too?

With a rubbermaid container, too see them for check ups etc, etc, you have to open their container. you dont think the act of shaking their home around every time you want to check them adds stress? I prefer to be able to see my Ts whenever id like, so i dont have to disturb them if its not necessary. most of the time i dont even have to touch their enclosures on my daily checks, when i look to make sure all of my Ts are healthy and dont have any nasty food remains sitting around.

But here is the long and short of it: i really dont care lol. i mean thats all that matters is that i find your opinions useless to me. I started this thread asking about different types of spiders that might meet the reqs im looking for in my next T, my trophy T that ill be most proud of, the one thats going to have its adult enclosure in my bedroom instead of my T room. I didnt ask for anyones opinions on how i care for my Ts. We have 9, happy, healthy, stress free Ts and unless that changes i think im doing a fine job. The only T we have lost since ive been involved, for some time now, was my gfs OBT. And thats because she squished him on accident, not I. It was a miscalculation on her part, she ended up clamping the lid down on him after an attempted feeding. she cried, it was quite a scene.

So really at this point im done responding to criticisms, if you dont have a 'breed' to suggest then i advise you to just not respond because i sure wont.

 

[cantthinkofone]

otoha, you are fighting a loosing battle. for the breeds thing, i use the same dialect or something similar, and species fits just dandy . for the rubbermaid thing, there is NOTHING wrong with it. People keep dogs in houses. People on the outside cant see the dog but that doesnt make it ANY less of an animal. plastics easier to clean any way stop putting down TRUSTED members for what you BELIEVE is fact. truth is we are going off of years in the hobby. But of course it all falls down to you and i guarantee you will "respectively disagree" with all of this.

 

[jecraque]

When i use the phrase 'trophy' its to say 'my coolest one' or the one i want to show off. I want a T that when people come over and i bring it out, or let them look at it in its enclosure, its just an impressive spider. That in no way implies a sense of neglect towards the T, quite the opposite to me actually. But a lot of what you said is also subjective, or just a straight up opinion of yours. Like for instance the fact that i type the word breed instead of species, i do that because its what i actually say, it fits comfortably in my midwestern english dialect thats all. And when i type longer items i tend to just start type like i talk. And its your opinion that i look stupid when i do so, well you are entitled to that enjoy your freedom of opinion sir, for this is the internet and in reality nobody actually cares.

I for one prefer to call tarantulas "insects." It just fits comfortably into my southern dialect, that's all.

 

[viper69]

He's completely wrong on the feeding post-molt, he clearly hasn't done his research. Plus, I know he's wrong because my Brachy's are not ready after a week, their fangs aren't black yet due to the animal's size. Like I said, his T is going to need a lot of LUCK.

Let's see, breed is 5 characters long, and species is 7 characters long. Yeah that's really difficult to get it proper haha.

I can't recommend any breeds of T to him, because there aren't any,but I did recommend a species to him.

 

[Poec54]

When i use the phrase 'trophy' its to say 'my coolest one' or the one i want to show off.

Ah, spiders as status symbols. Things you can show off to others. I like it, very Hollywood. Apparently we've been doing it all wrong.