List of Pamphobeteus species in the hobby

[xenesthis]

Any new Pamphobeteus species introduced to our hobby lately?

 

[SonsofArachne]

I've narrowed the my "want list" for Pamphos done to 3. Three that I can actually afford without saving for months anyway, and even these are pretty expensive

Pamphobeteus antinous - I like black T's'.

Pamphobeteus mascara - brown with black femurs looks cool

Pamphobeteus platyomma - actually hoping for a male. If fact that's what I don't like about Pamphos - in general the males are better looking than the females.

Since I made this post I have now acquired these slings: 3x Pamphobeteus antinous, 3x Pamphobeteus sp mascara, 3x Pamphobeteus sp. Goliath (Santo Domingo), plus 1 each Pamphobeteus sp. flammifera and Pamphobeteus sp cascada that I received as freebies. Never did get the platyomma, and have no plans to do so at this point. Of the slings the Pamphobeteus sp cascada is the prettiest; in addition to the normal red abdomen with black Christmas tree they also have sky blue legs - too bad they lose all this as adults.

 

[xenesthis]

Nice! I'm a fan of costa, cascada, and mascara right now.

 

[antinous]

Pamphobeteus sp. ‘chinche’ (Colombia)
Pamphobeteus sp. ‘manganegra’ (Ecuador)

 

[xenesthis]

> Pamphobeteus sp. ‘manganegra’ (Ecuador)

Any pics or more info about this species? Thanks.

 

[antinous]

> Pamphobeteus sp. ‘manganegra’ (Ecuador)

Any pics or more info about this species? Thanks.

I don’t have any photos on hand, forgot the name of the guy who found it in Ecuador. Doesn’t stand out compared to the other Ecuadorian species though, not sure if it’s in the US either.

 

[xenesthis]

Updating this thread...
NEW Pamphobeteus that have been described:

Pamphobeteus nellieblyae (Ecuador) described by Sherwood, Gabriel, Brescovit & Lucas, 2022
Pamphobeteus urvinae (Ecuador) described by Sherwood, Gabriel, Brescovit & Lucas, 2022
Pamphobeteus zaruma (Ecuador) described by Sherwood, Gabriel, Brescovit & Lucas, 2022
Pamphobeteus lapola (Colombia) described by Sherwood, Gabriel, Brescovit & Lucas, 2022

Reference: https://bioone.org/journals/arachno...ited-in-the/10.13156/arac.2022.19.3.650.short

Another new Pamphobeteus...

Pamphobeteus sucreorum (Darién Province, Panama) described by Gabriel & Sherwood, 2022. Reference: https://www.researchgate.net/public...ion_of_five_new_species_Araneae_Theraphosidae

Now, the challenge is to figure out with all these Pamphobeteus species in the hobby which ones match up to the five described species above.

IF anybody has pictures confirmed or anymore info about the above pictures, please post here. Thanks.

 

[curtisgiganteus]

Pampho is a mess. I’ll pick up a Solaris at some point but that’s it. If I want a big black spider I’ll get an L carpenteri or wait in my P arboricola to mature LOL

 

[campj]

Pampho is a mess. I’ll pick up a Solaris at some point but that’s it. If I want a big black spider I’ll get an L carpenteri or wait in my P arboricola to mature LOL

Dude, they're awesome. They get huge, grow fast, beautiful color change between molts, voracious and vicious eaters, tons of attitude. One of the best genus out there IMO. Sure, a bunch of them need to be described, but that's true of most genre that are actively being discovered/collected.

Oh wow, just noticed Pamphobeteus sucreorum is a Panamanian Pamphobeteus!

 

[xenesthis]

Dude, they're awesome. They get huge, grow fast, beautiful color change between molts, voracious and vicious eaters, tons of attitude. One of the best genus out there IMO. Sure, a bunch of them need to be described, but that's true of most genre that are actively being discovered/collected.

Oh wow, just noticed Pamphobeteus sucreorum is a Panamanian Pamphobeteus!

I 2nd that! I've kept hundreds of different species and and thousands of tarantulas over the last 35 yrs. People ask me what do you really like to keep personally...PAMPHOBETEUS! They are for intermediate to advanced keepers, but they are THE best "display" Ts. They are born big, grow quick, eat great and on big meals, grow to 6" to 9.25" leg spans, the mature males are just stunning in coloration, and yes, some of the species have females that are quite colorful (i.e., insignis, ornatus, mascara, costa, affnis II nigricolor...). When you want to see a big tarantula eat and to watch them being active, Pamphobeteus spp. is the way to go!

 

[Pedipalpable]

Pamphobeteus Antinous

Pamphobeteus cf Antinous (Big Black)

Pamphobeteus cf Antinous (Purple Earth)

Pamphobeteus cf Antinous (Lightning Blue)

Pamphobeteus cf Antinous (Iquitos)

What exactly is the difference between these five appearance wise? I find solid jet black Ts very attractive and am considering getting a Pamphobeteus antinous because I have seen photos of them here on the boards that show them to be exactly that. Add in the huge size and velvety appearance and you've got the makings of a dream species for me. Problem is, the photos I've seen never mention which regional variant it is.

Here is an example of one the photos I was thinking of:

Just such an attractive spider with that solid black coloration and velvety texture. I would love to have one of those. I don't suppose any of the resident Pamphobeteus experts (@xenesthis, @c.h.esteban, @antinous) could weigh in on which variant/form of P. antinous it is that fits that appearance?
Or perhaps @BoyFromLA if you know which variant it was sold as? Lovely photography by the way!

Also, out of curiosity, which of the five variants of P. antinous does "Pamphobeteus antinous (SE Peru/NW Bolivia)" in the poll option refer to?
Thank you very much to all who answer my questions!

 

[Smotzer]

what are peoples opinion of Pamphobeteus machala compared to other Pamphobeteus?

 

[Pedipalpable]

I am curious to know more about Pamphobeteus sp. Manabi. I was doing some research on them and read that they can supposedly reach 8.5-9" DLS. Is that true? I thought the only Pamphobeteus known to reach that size is one of the P. antinous colour forms. And what about the appearance of the adults? Searching for photos here on Arachnoboards I came across two very different looking supposed adult female P. sp. Manabi, shown below.

adult female

0.1 Pamphobeteus sp. "manabi", CB 6.25" female (note: lighter color than other manabi)

I am confused as to whether these are different colour forms or something else, like a different stage in the lifecycle showing different colours. I realize there may be no way of knowing what it is, but figured I might as well ask. Any of the resident Pamphobeteus experts care to weigh in on my questions? @xenesthis? @c.h.esteban? @Comatose?

 

[c.h.esteban]

Sorry but I can not really help here.
I do not measure any DLS, because there is nothing in the descriptions to compare with.
I don't have keep these sp. MANABI.
I have only examined an adult male, which was highly similar with others from northern provinces. The females of these other Pamphobeteus sp. can reach carapace length around 30 mm.

 

[Bob28]

From my notes-

Here’s a list of Pamphobeteus available in the hobby - some are extremely rare, some have been unavailable for some years now - I’ve categorised them into their locations in the wild.




Ecuador -


Pamphobeteus spec Platyomma

Pamphobeteus spec Machala

Pamphobeteus spec Duran

Pamphobeteus spec Magna

Pamphobeteus spec Manabi

Pamphobeteus spec Santo Domingo (small)

Pamphobeteus Ultramarinus

Pamphobeteus spec Goliath

Pamphobeteus spec Vespertinus

Pamphobeteus spec nigricolor

Pamphobeteus spec Tigris

Pamphobeteus spec Esmeraldas

Pamphobeteus Augusti

Pamphobeteus spec Costa

Pamphobeteus spec Cascada

Pamphobeteus spec Flammifera

Pamphobeteus spec Mascara

Pamphobeteus Orientalis

Pamphobeteus spec ‘North Ecuador’

Pamphobeteus spec South Ecuador II

Pamphobeteus spec Volcano


Peru -


Pamphobeteus cf Antinous (Big Black)

Pamphobeteus cf Antinous (Purple Earth)

Pamphobeteus cf Antinous (Lightning Blue)

Pamphobeteus cf Antinous (Iquitos)

Pamphobeteus cf Rio Urubamba

Pamphobeteus cf Rio Itaya

Pamphobeteus cf Pucallpa

Pamphobeteus cf Arana Polita

Pamphobeteus spec Wuschig

Pamphobeteus spec Petersi

Pamphobeteus spec Huallaga

Pamphobeteus spec Selva

Pamphobeteus spec ‘SJ’


Colombia -


Pamphobeteus spec Solaris

Pamphobeteus spec Cupreus

Pamphobeteus Insignis

Pamphobeteus nigricolor

Pamphobeteus affinis nigricolor II

Pamphobeteus Ferox

Pamphobeteus Fortis

Pamphobeteus Ornatus (Rio Dagua - Panama)

Pamphobeteus spec Antioquia

Pamphobeteus spec Aquatica

Pamphobeteus spec Borealis

Pamphobeteus spec Caldas

Pamphobeteus spec Conani

Pamphobeteus spec Hexa

Pamphobeteus spec Montana

Pamphobeteus spec Paisa

Pamphobeteus spec Penta

Pamphobeteus spec ‘Q’

Pamphobeteus spec ‘SF’

Pamphobeteus spec Ultima


Bolivia -


Pamphobeteus Antinous.


Brazil -


Pamphobeteus Crassifemur

Pamphobeteus Grandis


I don’t think any will breach the 10 inch leg span.

Can you tell me which one is pamphobeteus species red ecuador, thanks bro

 

[Glorfindel]

pamphobeteus is a mish mash of sp. this and that, hard to be sure what's in bloom.

 

[xenesthis]

"Pamphobeteus sp. 'red' = terrible name. Should be sold with locality info like a town or region in my opinion. The 'red" will be mixed up by hobbyists in a few years and mashed into stuff like P. vespertinus "Red Bloom" or others. Bitch at the seller/breeder about this name.

 

[xenesthis]

Breeders/sellers of these new Pamphobeteus spp. don't want to to reveal locality info in the names to protect their goodies, which I understand to a point, but what good does it do when these overly simplistic names like "red" get merged into the existing genus scrambled eggs? We need Pamphobeteus spp. to have some type of reference to locality to avoid this. We already have new Pamphobeteus spp. described in the last few years that have not been matched up with the hobby/trade names. Introducing a Pamphobeteus sp. as just "RED" will result in all kinds of problems.

 

[AphonopelmaTX]

Breeders/sellers of these new Pamphobeteus spp. don't want to to reveal locality info in the names to protect their goodies, which I understand to a point, but what good does it do when these overly simplistic names like "red" get merged into the existing genus scrambled eggs? We need Pamphobeteus spp. to have some type of reference to locality to avoid this. We already have new Pamphobeteus spp. described in the last few years that have not been matched up with the hobby/trade names. Introducing a Pamphobeteus sp. as just "RED" will result in all kinds of problems.

Adding a locality name will help but not solve any problems. A single species can inhabit a large range sometimes crossing borders to neighboring countries. At the same time, two different species that look alike can occur in the same range or locality.

The same species could be sold with two different localities leading people to believe they are two different species, or to assume so. By contrast, two different species could be sold with the same locality and assumed to be the same species.

 

[xenesthis]

Adding a locality name will help but not solve any problems. A single species can inhabit a large range sometimes crossing borders to neighboring countries. At the same time, two different species that look alike can occur in the same range or locality.

The same species could be sold with two different localities leading people to believe they are two different species, or to assume so. By contrast, two different species could be sold with the same locality and assumed to be the same species.

Agree with your points. So, what's the solution to this mess? We can't have species just named "RED". We can't have two species found in the same locality named (for example) Pamphobeteus sp. "Quito"......how about this: Pamphobeteus sp. "Red-back Quito" and Pamphobeteus sp. "Chestnut Brown Quito"?....anything like this would help until the species are described. The thing is, breeders/sellers are going to do whatever, so our 2 cents in the final analysis will not matter here.