Leaf Insects
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phasmids
Phasmids do indeed require USDA permits although I know of a dealer at a recent reptile show selling Bacculum spp. and Eurycantha spp. and some some new species from overseas.I wonder if anyone caught on to his enterprise,He does not seem to advocate permits for anyone buying Phasmids.Also at this new york locale, no one seems to stop him either.just had to comment. Cheers, Tom
Phasmids do indeed require USDA permits although I know of a dealer at a recent reptile show selling Bacculum spp. and Eurycantha spp. and some some new species from overseas.I wonder if anyone caught on to his enterprise,He does not seem to advocate permits for anyone buying Phasmids.Also at this new york locale, no one seems to stop him either.just had to comment. Cheers, Tom
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yeah i heard of a guy in new jersy gettinghis door kicked in and ram saced because of phasmids he was breeding and selling....they took everything even the substrate...to ensure no viable eggs were in there....he got fined very heavily and had do do comunity service. i think its dumb though...because what harm is a leaf insect or walking stick pose on america? seriously i think its a power trip...but its the law....i also belive there illegal in the UK too but i could be wrong.
Non-native phasmids can cause HUGE issues for agriculture in the US. The reason they are legal in the UK is the temps prohibit them forming established populations.
Think about what the asian longhorn beetle is doing to trees in the US, then turn that into food crops. See the problem now?
I forgot about Gypsy Moths.:?
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Some of the largest walkingsticks really don't pose much of a danger. They need more than a year of warm temps to mature. They might be bad news in Florida or the far South but not much of a threat anywhere else in the US. They all are illegal though, because usually if the gov allows one specie in legally, 10 other species get smuggled in illegally and that ruins it for everyone. It's easier to enforce if it's a blanket ban. Year's ago I used to import just males of a couple of species with APHIS (Animal Plant Health Inpection Service) permits. An individual used to be able to get permits for those. Males are much smaller, but still giant compared to local species. Of course, then they can't breed, but if you just want to watch them grow, I did it. Many stick species don't have males, but some do. European dealers used to separate the males for me. The packages would have to be inspected but the officials are easy to work with as long as you follow the rules. The government's main concern with insects is to prevent a disaster like gypsy moths, etc. My experience with importing male sticks is 25 years old, so I don't know if the rules have tightened or not.
draconian22
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All Phasmids are illegal to own in Canada. Though its not hard to find a few species, Extatasoma tiaratum is probably the easiest one to find.
Millipedes are illegal aswell, though those are usually overlooked, some pet stores still get A.gigas in.
Canada has no laws regarding Arachnids, or Centipedes(though some town/city bylaws restrict them). I think B.C. has a law that restricts you from owning 'poisonous' arachnids or invertabrates:wall: nice loophole on that one.
But sadly beetles are restricted aswell
cant find me any rhinocerous or flower beetles.Canada's invert laws arent really upheld by F&W, but instead by the Canadian Food Inspection Agency. Who are understaffed and thus let lots of stuff slide, or so I am told anyways.
hysteresis
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This was a looong time ago. Any leads on purchasing bramble etc in Ontario, IN THE WINTER? LOL?