Lasiodora parahybana bites

[wsimms]

OK how about this, Lasi feels a big vibration, runs out of hole to take on the source, the source is a big pimply face kid who promply squishes said "T".

Verses big pimply faced kid sees big hairy spider and runs away to safety.

Uuuhhhhhhhhhh.....yeah.

In the above scenarios, it appears that Lasi possesses the greater IQ of the two animals. In the first scenario, Lasi exhibits curiosity, a sign of higher intelligence, while big pimply faced kid ("BPFK") exhibits unprovoked aggression, a feature more often seen in lower species.

In scenario #2, Lasi is clearly more intelligent than BPFK in that BPFK's flight response is completely unnecessary. Unnecessary flights from safe situations increase the odds of the individual finding itself in unsafe situations, and thus are a detriment to survival.

 

[crpy]

Uuuhhhhhhhhhh.....yeah.

In the above scenarios, it appears that Lasi possesses the greater IQ of the two animals. In the first scenario, Lasi exhibits curiosity, a sign of higher intelligence, while big pimply faced kid ("BPFK") exhibits unprovoked aggression, a feature more often seen in lower species.

In scenario #2, Lasi is clearly more intelligent than BPFK in that BPFK's flight response is completely unnecessary. Unnecessary flights from safe situations increase the odds of the individual finding itself in unsafe situations, and thus are a detriment to survival.

LOL, yeah, im tired ,after I sent it I was thinking Oh that was lame:wall:

 

[the nature boy]

E-a-s-y

I find these to be an EASY species to handle. As noted, they can be a bit skiddish, but that's it. In The Tarantula Keeper's Guide Stan states that they almost seem to enjoy being held. The lack of bite reports on this species speaks volumes.

--the nature boy

 

[robc]

I hold my L.Parahybana all the time and she is close to 10"

 

[crpy]

LOL, yeah, im tired ,after I sent it I was thinking Oh that was lame:wall:

But sense you made that analogy, the flight response by the BPFK exhibited a degree of intelligence because of the appearance of the approaching Lasi (being a big, fast hairy spider)and because of the unknown threat by said Lasi.

 

[xhexdx]

Yay, my turn!

I'm not going to quote because that would take too long, but I'll sum things up...

The comment about tarantulas being defensive not aggressive. I guess you can say that's true if you attribute an OBT rearing up and striking as soon as you even touch their cage.

Most questions people post can be answered with the same response: It depends on species and on the individual tarantula. I have seen people hold OBTs before. I personally would never hold one, although I would bet I could hold at least one of my nine individuals without it biting me. In general though, OBTs are an aggressive species of tarantula.

The comment about urticating hairs being the second defense to running: What about species without urticating hairs? I have never seen a tarantula try to run and then kick hairs. My guys always kick hairs first.

This thread is going way off topic. In fact, I forget what the original question was...something about L. parahybana not having any bite reports.

My opinion on why there aren't any bite reports is that this particular species is either especially docile or rarely held. That, or nobody wants to admit being bit by one.

Hasta.

 

[ArachnoYak]

Never thought I'd do this.

As I am an atheist about to take the side of a christian, but I will agree with Lennie as far as the spider's ability to think. Tests and tests can be done and spiders can be dissected but their brain function can never be underestimated. Until you can actually get inside of the brain of a living tarantula and feel what it feels and see what it sees then you can't say it doesn't have the ability to think. This is similar to a few threads before where people dogmatically decided that invertebrates couldn't feel pain. When spiders do their "happy dance" after catching their prey is that purely instinctual? Do wild spiders, with predators all around, have time for such a celebration?

 

[baf236]

Hey, Im back. Wow, it seems that there is a diverse array of experience and opinions about handling L. parahybana. Robc that is a great T youv'e got! For you and Lennie and others who frequently handle the juvies or adult L parahybanas, how do you get them onto your hands? With my little slings I just put one hand in front and coax them onto it with my finger from behind. But with the bigger ones I would think that they might think that your finger is a cricket. Would it be better to try to coax them onto your hand with the entire palm of your other hand? That way they would be less apt to mistake a palm (instead of finger) for a cricket.

 

[xhexdx]

When spiders do their "happy dance" after catching their prey is that purely instinctual? Do wild spiders, with predators all around, have time for such a celebration?

Yes.

It's instinct.

 

[robc]

Hey, Im back. Wow, it seems that there is a diverse array of experience and opinions about handling L. parahybana. Robc that is a great T youv'e got! For you and Lennie and others who frequently handle the juvies or adult L parahybanas, how do you get them onto your hands? With my little slings I just put one hand in front and coax them onto it with my finger from behind. But with the bigger ones I would think that they might think that your finger is a cricket. Would it be better to try to coax them onto your hand with the entire palm of your other hand? That way they would be less apt to mistake a palm (instead of finger) for a cricket.

With my big L.P she see's my hand goes up the glass onto the edge of the enclosure and goes directly into my hand, make sure you sit close to the floor so if she/he is dropped they don't rupture there abnomen.....rob

 

[wsimms]

My parahybana is about 7", and I handle her all the time. So does my 10 year old. She is no more defensive than any of my Brachys. As a matter of fact, she doesn't even have a real bald spot, just a couple of small "racing stripes".

 

[Veneficus]

As I am an atheist about to take the side of a christian, but I will agree with Lennie as far as the spider's ability to think. Tests and tests can be done and spiders can be dissected but their brain function can never be underestimated. Until you can actually get inside of the brain of a living tarantula and feel what it feels and see what it sees then you can't say it doesn't have the ability to think. This is similar to a few threads before where people dogmatically decided that invertebrates couldn't feel pain. When spiders do their "happy dance" after catching their prey is that purely instinctual? Do wild spiders, with predators all around, have time for such a celebration?

Tarantulas are predators, so they have to have more intelligence then their prey.

As to the 'happy dance,' they are not celebrating --As Schultz writes, they are actually laying a feeding web so they can place their prey into it and wrap it up. The hypothesis is that if another prey comes along, they can secure the first so they can get the second.

 

[robc]

My parahybana is about 7", and I handle her all the time. So does my 10 year old. She is no more defensive than any of my Brachys. As a matter of fact, she doesn't even have a real bald spot, just a couple of small "racing stripes".

I totaly agree.......rob

 

[Demon187]

[God gave us authority over all animals and we have the higher intelligence].

i have never heard such a preposterous and arrogant comment as that one. we have no authority over animals, and the sooner we realise this the better. if we are so highly intelligent then how come cause more pain and suffering not to mention death and destruction of our planet than anything that lives now or before us, including the hundreds or thousands of animals that are now extinct at our hands. it is the arrogance of the human race that will end the world as we know it. i just hope we dont ruin it for the other creatures that have just as much right to live here as we do, and they live long and happy lives long after we are gone, which im sure they will.

rant over

 

[wsimms]

[God gave us authority over all animals and we have the higher intelligence].

i have never heard such a preposterous and arrogant comment as that one. we have no authority over animals, and the sooner we realise this the better

Well, it does seem accurate, doesn't it? The animals always lose.

 

[Demon187]

i have never heard such a preposterous and arrogant comment as that one. we have no authority over animals, and the sooner we realise this the better. if we are so highly intelligent then how come cause more pain and suffering not to mention death and destruction of our planet than anything that lives now or before us, including the hundreds or thousands of animals that are now extinct at our hands. it is the arrogance of the human race that will end the world as we know it. i just hope we dont ruin it for the other creatures that have just as much right to live here as we do, and they live long and happy lives long after we are gone, which im sure they will.

rant over
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[Demon187]

Well, it does seem accurate, doesn't it? The animals always lose.

lose what? and always?
so when some surfer gets eaten by a shark or someone gets mauled by a dog or a lion or cooger etc. they lose do they? i dont think you thought that one through. take away your guns and weapons and pit you against any other large predator and we will see who will lose as they finish off your internal organs and lap up the last remains of your spilt blood.

 

[wsimms]

lose what? and always?
so when some surfer gets eaten by a shark or someone gets mauled by a dog or a lion or cooger etc. they lose do they? i dont think you thought that one through. take away your guns and weapons and pit you against any other large predator and we will see who will lose as they finish off your internal organs and lap up the last remains of your spilt blood.

Lose "the war". Yes, always.
The animals are not going to be able to "take away [my] guns and weapons", nor the tractors, bulldozers, etc. that eat away their habitat year by year. For every surfer that feeds a shark, there are millions of chickens, cows, pigs, etc. that die to feed humans every day. Sad but true. Enough said.

Back to the subject of this thread, I have not been able to find a single bite report anywhere for L. parahybana. Considering how common they are, that has to mean something.

 

[Demon187]

and we are at war with all all animals yeah?

 

[Merfolk]

I am not into handling myself, but I can tell you that an animal handled regulary from an early age will react differently than one that is picked up for the first time at an adult age.

And YES, the risk of a bite remains. Cats and dogs are more intelligent and affectionate, but someday the cuddliest of them might decide to bite you for reasons hard to understand. If your cuddly kitty can bite you, there is no reason to think that a T will never bite.

What happens is that some dog, sometimes a gentle and behaved one, will see a toddler and it will trigger the hunting instinct. Even people sometimes can't control their instinct.

For a T, any bigger creature that will try to pick them up is a threat. So it could be accustomed to handling but something will trigger the defense instinct. Being less intelligent than dogs, the T it is just more likely to revert to instinct if fear kicks in.

Remember : If humans can revert to their destructive instinct in stressful situations, dogs will at times, and so will tarantulas. The lower you are on the evolutionary scale , the lesser control over your instinct you will have.