Lasiodora parahybana bites

[baf236]

I noticed there are no bite reports for Lasiodora parahybana. I have handled my 1 1/2 inch slings before -- never any bites but they are certainly very fast and skittish. I just wondered has anyone ever tried to handle a juvenile or an adult. Do they calm down a bit as they get older or do they stay about the same? With no bites in the bite reports it make me think they aren't as aggressive as their reputation says.

 

[Lennie Collins]

As with all tarantulas...they have the ability to bite. Their first line of defense is to run quickly. Their second is the urticating hairs. Their last if they really feel threaten is to bite. I got mine when she was 3 inches. She would run around her enclosure and kick urticating hairs when I just open her enclosure top. Now she is 6 inches and will oddly come out calmly to "investigate" when I open her enclosure to clean it out. I hold her a lot and she has never even hinted at biting me. They can be skittish BUT if you hold yours ALOT she/he will calm down. The urticating hairs are unbearable. I can now tolerate them even tough my 6 inch female DOES NOT kick her urticating hairs she is still itchy to a degree. Just handle yours frequently and keep in mind that she has the ability to bite and you will be alright.

 

[GartenSpinnen]

They can be skittish BUT if you hold yours ALOT she/he will come down.

This is bad advice IME. This is not a cat, or a dog, or anything along those lines. Handling them more will just stress them out more. I see nothing wrong with occasional handling but doing it all the time is not good. The way they react to handling is based mostly on the species, the time in the molt cycle, feeding response, etc. If they feel threatened they will bite. Do not rely on them to run and then kick hair and then bite. They may do none, or all of the above, or just flat out sink there fangs into you. By handling them you are accepting all of these risks. They do not have the brain capacity to establish any sort of "bonding", this is an arachnid, they are VENOMOUS, ok?
Cheers

 

[GartenSpinnen]

I noticed there are no bite reports for Lasiodora parahybana. I have handled my 1 1/2 inch slings before -- never any bites but they are certainly very fast and skittish. I just wondered has anyone ever tried to handle a juvenile or an adult. Do they calm down a bit as they get older or do they stay about the same? With no bites in the bite reports it make me think they aren't as aggressive as their reputation says.

This species is not too bad to deal with. They can be defensive and skittish but not as bad as many others. I think they are more likely to kick hair, but CAN and WILL bite if they decide to do so. Handling any species that is skittish or defensive i do not recommend unless you have experience doing so. I have seen a couple specimens that were large and more docile though, but even they would kick hair on occasion.
Cheers

 

[crpy]

im thinkin if a lasi bites you it wont be a fun experience, but we always need more research for the bite forum.....so

 

[Lennie Collins]

Jadespider1985...these are tarantulas and they are venomous I know that BUT God gave them a brain and a tarantula can use it to decide which defense method it wants to use. I have seen defensive tarantulas held without biting and I was bitten by an Aphonopelma Seemani, one of the so called docile ones. I hold all 14 soon to be 15 of my tarantulas daily and even some of my friends that work in pet stores are amazed how the intermediate ones I own are calm. I do not know who determined if holding a tarantula a lot stresses them out. If any animal does not want to be handled it will decide what it wants to do. I have a Pandinus Caveminus, a Red Caw Scorpion, that when I first got him would pinch me and would not let go. I handled him everyday a week after I got him. Now when I pick him up I literially have to scrape him off of me to put him back in the cage. He clings on to my hand/wrist with his feet. I rub his back and even handfeed him. Does that sound like he is stressed out. How did he get like that? From me holding/handling him alot. He now realizes I am no longer a threat and he relaxes. I disagree sternly that handling tarantulas and scorpions stresses them out. Of course I do not offer this advice to the highly defensive or venomous ones. God gave us authority over all animals and we have the higher intelligence and common sense. I do use them when I handle my tarantulas and scorpions. Take care!

 

[crpy]

Jadespider1985...these are tarantulas and they are venomous I know that BUT God gave them a brain and a tarantula can use it to decide which defense method it wants to use. I have seen defensive tarantulas held without biting and I was bitten by an Aphonopelma Seemani, one of the so called docile ones. I hold all 14 soon to be 15 of my tarantulas daily and even some of my friends that work in pet stores are amazed how the intermediate ones I own are calm. I do not know who determined if holding a tarantula a lot stresses them out. If any animal does not want to be handled it will decide what it wants to do. I have a Pandinus Caveminus, a Red Caw Scorpion, that when I first got him would pinch me and would not let go. I handled him everyday a week after I got him. Now when I pick him up I literially have to scrape him off of me to put him back in the cage. He clings on to my hand/wrist with his feet. I rub his back and even handfeed him. Does that sound like he is stressed out. How did he get like that? From me holding/handling him alot. He now realizes I am no longer a threat and he relaxes. I disagree sternly that handling tarantulas and scorpions stresses them out. Of course I do not offer this advice to the highly defensive or venomous ones. God gave us authority over all animals and we have the higher intelligence and common sense. I do use them when I handle my tarantulas and scorpions. Take care!

Ok, this is not an opening for an argument here we go.

First "T"s have ganglia, very primitive brain, in other bite reports people have said they held a "T" for long time and then all of a sudden got tagged. I think most people with experience are saying there is ALWAYS a risk, they are just advising you, you can do as you want but you have been warned.

And since you bring up GOD, GOD gave you the ability to make choices and he will let you make the wrong choice for the lesson, right. If you believe you go to heaveN when you croak, then GOD may say to you,YOU MADE THE WRONG CHOICE:razz:

 

[Lennie Collins]

Crpy...I will put it like this! How do we know handling a tarantula "stresses' it out? Did someone actually test a tarantula's blood pressure when it was held? I read some of these comments on here and I noticed that even some of the comments can be exaggerated. First of all tarantulas are defensive not aggressive. They do not go out of their way to bite you. 3 days ago I opened the enclosure of a Haplopelma Minax and Pamphobeteus Species Ecuador and neither one ran out of their cage to try to bite me. They both ran away from the pen I stuck in there. I agree with you and that these tarantulas can bite unprovoked. I have had mines for 1 year now and no bites so far. The one time I got bite was in a pet store. The bite does not hurt you it's the venom that causes the pain. And God makes the decision who will enter Heaven not man!

 

[Zoltan]

I noticed there are no bite reports for Lasiodora parahybana. I have handled my 1 1/2 inch slings before -- never any bites but they are certainly very fast and skittish. I just wondered has anyone ever tried to handle a juvenile or an adult. Do they calm down a bit as they get older or do they stay about the same? With no bites in the bite reports it make me think they aren't as aggressive as their reputation says.

As Ryan said in another topic, the G. rosea bite thread is the longest, but that doesn't make the G. rosea the most aggressive tarantula. I would advise not to handle Lasiodoras, but some people had success with them, including parahybana. It really depends on the individual spider.

I have seen defensive tarantulas held without biting and I was bitten by an Aphonopelma Seemani, one of the so called docile ones.

I don't know where did you hear that A. seemanni is a docile one, but I think it is not. It's not overly aggressive, but I wouldn't call it "docile" (in T terms) at all.

 

[crpy]

Lenny Collins,The stress factor may be to the individual"T," but a fact is critters eat "T"s and things that get eaten have instincts, fight/flight, that sort a thing.

I know the Ctenis captiosis, although a true spider will die of stress easily, fact.
(I know we are talking "T"s)
I'm just throwing my 2 cents in, I've held "T"s also.

God makes the decision who will enter Heaven not man!

And a Christian believes ,if they live there life the best they can according to the new testament they will get into heaven.
PM me if you want further debate on God.

 

[Lennie Collins]

Crpy...my name is spelled Lennie NOT Lenny. What test is this that shows tarantulas will die from stress. All I asked was what proof HOLDING a tarantula stresses it out. And belief along does not get you into Heaven. This faith has to have actions along with it.That is why the Bible is thick with pages. It does not have a single line that says faith/belief is all you need. Read Paul letters written to the various churches. It's God's standards to follow not man's! I am a disciple/christian and I am always wanting to talk God with people. Please e-mail me at nipseekamariejazz@yahoo.com if you would like to talk. Take care.

 

[crpy]

Crpy...my name is spelled Lennie NOT Lenny. What test is this that shows tarantulas will die from stress. All I asked was what proof HOLDING a tarantula stresses it out. And belief along does not get you into Heaven. This faith has to have actions along with it.That is why the Bible is thick with pages. It does not have a single line that says faith/belief is all you need. Read Paul letters written to the various churches. It's God's standards to follow not man's! I am a disciple/christian and I am always wanting to talk God with people. Please e-mail me at nipseekamariejazz@yahoo.com if you would like to talk. Take care.

Sorry for the Misspelling, I think maybe you need to here from somebody else on "T" stress, I just believe they can get stressed and ill leave it at that.

 

[Veneficus]

First of all tarantulas are defensive not aggressive. They do not go out of their way to bite you.

Actually, this is not true. I have a 9" L. parahybana and several Pamphobeteus species, and they have been very aggressive when I try to open their cages. They will charge me and try to attack. If it wasn't for the me using tongs, I would have been attacked numerous times. Perhaps the reason there are no bite attacks listed for the Lasiodora is because not many people are going to handle them because they know they're aggressive. Also, just because there are no bite reports listed, doesn't mean nobody hasn't gotten tagged. Not everyone posts when something happens.

 

[Veneficus]

As Ryan said in another topic, the G. rosea bite thread is the longest, but that doesn't make the G. rosea the most aggressive tarantula. I would advise not to handle Lasiodoras, but some people had success with them, including parahybana. It really depends on the individual spider.


I don't know where did you hear that A. seemanni is a docile one, but I think it is not. It's not overly aggressive, but I wouldn't call it "docile" (in T terms) at all.

The G. rosea has the longest bite thread is because people believe they are not an aggressive species and so more people will hold them--hence the higher bite percent from them. Personally, I believe with any tarantula you're taking a risk of getting tagged.

Yeah, my A. seemanni latched onto my tongs and the shipping container the other day when I was trying to package him for shipment, and I couldn't pry him off, lol.

 

[Lennie Collins]

Veneficus please explain attack. If they were aggressive they would be trying to get out their cages to get to you. You stated that when you put tongs in they go after the tongs. They are defending their enclosure. If they were aggressive they would bypass the tongs and continue to go after you. I never ever stated or hinted that a Lasiordora Parahybana would not bite. I stated they have the ability to bite.

 

[crpy]

Also I think it MAY (operative word) make a difference between male and female to be quite obvious perhaps.

I had a male that was absolutely psycho, He would fly at and bite a dowel or anything in his zone of influence. My cat got in the "T" room and i watched him put his nose on the screen top and the "T" sprang up and put his fangs through the screen it was the fastest attack i had ever seen and the cat literally jumped 6 feet in the air i lmao

 

[Veneficus]

Veneficus please explain attack. If they were aggressive they would be trying to get out their cages to get to you. You stated that when you put tongs in they go after the tongs. They are defending their enclosure. If they were aggressive they would bypass the thongs and continue to go after you. I never ever stated or hinted that a Lasiordora Parahybana would not bite. I stated they have the ability to bite.

Actually, yes--they see the tongs because it's in their enclosure and they attack--when tongs are withdrawn, they continue to go towards the area that is open (hence trying to get out of their container and pursue). If I pick up their container, they will try and attack my fingers/hands that is holding the container (obviously they can't since there is glass in between). Believe me, I do not doubt that if they were not in containers then they would pursue me. I have seen this mostly with WC species, but my L. parahybana is CB and she does it too.

 

[radicaldementia]

It only takes a little common sense to understand how handling can stress a T. T's are not intelligent, they do not have a brain like we do. They may or may not have some sort of consciousness, but even if so, it is extremely limited and a T's world view is vastly inferior to ours or even other mammals. When your primary sense is ground vibrations, your view of the world around you can only be so complex.

When we say T's get "stress", we're not necessarily talking about the same kind of emotional stress that we feel. It is more of a physiological reaction that comes from the constant stimulation T's receive when handled. T's have clearly evolved to be ambush predators, they don't move around much on their own. When you handle a T, you are forcing it to go against its instincts and walk around. In short term this is mostly harmless, as T's obviously do need to walk around from time to time. But frequent handling over a long period of time will certainly have an effect of the T's health. It may not kill it, but it would certainly be fair to say that your T would be "unhappy".

Just imagine if you're sitting at your computer, and suddenly this giant blob thing comes into your room, messes everything up, and starts pushing you around. Would you be happy and friendly?

 

[wsimms]

I have to add my voice to those who question the concept of handling a T causing "stress'. To my knowledge, there is not a single study supporting a shortened lifespan of captive tarantulas as a result of handling, although it would be an easy study to perform. Personally, I agree with the Schultz's that handling T's brings about a general diminution of their fight/flight responses and makes them easier to work with.

Ethologists have demonstrated that many animals are much more intelligent than previous dogma has suggested. Along those lines, maybe we should re-examine our unproven beliefs about the "intelligence" of T's.

 

[crpy]

I have to add my voice to those who question the concept of handling a T causing "stress'. To my knowledge, there is not a single study supporting a shortened lifespan of captive tarantulas as a result of handling, although it would be an easy study to perform. Personally, I agree with the Schultz's that handling T's brings about a general diminution of their fight/flight responses and makes them easier to work with.

Ethologists have demonstrated that many animals are much more intelligent than previous dogma has suggested. Along those lines, maybe we should re-examine our unproven beliefs about the "intelligence" of T's.

OK how about this, Lasi feels a big vibration, runs out of hole to take on the source, the source is a big pimply face kid who promply squishes said "T".

Verses big pimply faced kid sees big hairy spider and runs away to safety.