Good reads here... I made my re-entry to this hobby after the Aussie species made their grand entrance, so my experience is limited to reading and one recent freebie. I'll be looking to acquire more, but for the mean time I look forward to seeing more pictures of captive giants.
I'm as surprised by that as I am by the fact that I can't find written confirmation that they are in fact a larger species of Poecilotheria. I didn't mean to infer that the 7" female was the biggest of her kind or that she, or my words, represented proof that someone that disagreed with me was flat out wrong; it was just my understanding that this species does indeed get to 9 inches, and is a larger representative of it's genus. If I'm wrong I'll gladly admit it, and I'll certainly keep an eye out for evidence that I'm rightYou are the first that I have seen say P. miranda gets huge, this is why I question it. A lone 7" female shouldn't set the bar on average adult size. I agree that arguments normally lead to nothing but polite disagreements can be good reads, just read old threads.- Chad
I was going to edit your quote down but I don't want to take away context - My focus is H. robustum, with a C. schioedtei footnote.
This was in another "What's the biggest..." thread, and to Michael's credit, he started off with "Threads like these are very subjective and don't lead to any definitive answers, but they can be fun so I'll stick my two bucks in." Admittedly, the above is really just more "Well Bob told me he saw a four foot Tarantulata gigantica", albeit this exchange was between a very respected breeder and one of the foremost researchers.
I must say it is a weak argument Comatose. You wouldn't accept anyone gloating to you if miranda DON'T make it to that size on average, so why should you claim rights to it only if you ARE right?
I know I'm going to regret this, but here it goes - do you just lurk around looking for arguments to have? As far as I can tell you just pop your head up to scold newb's for failing to use the forum to your standards and to call people liars.
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You can do a search for my posts, and out of the over 2000 posts, most are helping individuals during my years coming up through the hobby. Just because nowadays, the only thing that interests me are topics which CAN incite debate, doesn't mean that was my only purpose here. I'm not here to post about 'my A. avic molted today'.
You have to be the most spineless individual I've ever come across in here. Do you fear anyone disagreeing with you, do you not like being wrong? What is it that you abhore about debate? It seems my arguments with you result in you melting and retreating whatever you post. That's fine if you wish to ignore me, but I will not cease to point out when I believe your posts to be wrong.
This is a picture of an albino black bear. So does that mean we should consider black bears among the top 3 whitest bears?
I understand what you meant and you have a good point - there are always rare exceptions and one cannot extrapolate an exception. But at the same time I would like to know, do you (or anyone here) have any solid reference or data to show that the average size of a P. miranda is just some 6" or less? It is a common knowledge that most black bears are just plain black and any color variation is an exception, but P. miranda just isn't those common black bears in this hobby. Opinions from posters in this thread are not statistically significant enough to conclude anything like a 7-8" P. miranda is some very rare exception either. So unless we can gather enough adult P. miranda owners and breeders to post their adult spider sizes here, we cannot conclude a 7" P. miranda is just some rare exception (please prove me wrong if you alone own 20+ adult P. miranda to come up with the average size you see daily, but I guess no one including most breeders would keep so many identical ADULT species. Even if someone does keep so many P. miranda, his ways of raising and keeping the spiders may also limit the max size the spiders can get. Too many variables...).
I would like to point at that at some point it would appear this has turned to my inferring on the obsurdity of a P. miranda reaching 7" or something.. that really isn't my point at all, I'd like to go back to the idea of it being among the LARGER pokies as absurd. You'd think you would need average specimens of 7" to even speculate on 9" ers gettting them that title.
in post #17 which was an obvious attempt to agree on your idea that P. miranda is probably not among the LARGER Pokies, but you kept going. Couldn't let it die.
I own 8 of them (my breeder group that been bred and some produced in the past) and several dozen smaller range from 1" and up
You do not engage in debate. You do not engage in discussion. You attack people. I'm sorry that you feel the need to come to an internet forum to seek conflict and argument; I don't, nor do I 'melt and retreat' (though if someone wants to translate that statement into grownup English that would be swell). If your barometer for the strength of one's backbone is their propensity to be a douchy internet warrior, then truly, all hail you sir, king of the douches.
Thanks, and point taken. I'm done, and happy holidays to you too.
Since I used a similar phrase, I just want to make sure you don't think I was accusing you of starting one or anything... I've foolishly lost my temper here, but it wasn't based on anything you said nor did I intend to call your experience with P. miranda or their size into question. I disagreed with you, and this time it appears I was wrong.
This is quite a rediculous claim to make, if you read my post it hardly reads like an attack. It points out a flaw in your argument, a rather large one.. that regardless of the dancing around we have gone through to make it visible.. is there. My apologies if you hope to be able to post anything here free of review, because it will never happen.
That is more of an attack then anything I had written, so how can you even say I'm wrong in the way I post?
Not only is that simple enough english, but do I REALLY need to link the thread where you deleted your posts because you didn't like where the argument was going?
I think its cute the way you point out your error to her, and will not admit any error to our argument. You would rather escalate the conversation, (which you clearly did). The point to take away from this is that if you are pushed far enough, you will admit that you spoke incorrectly. That alone validates my post.
These 2 species and also lampropelma violaceopes are by far the largest Asian arboreals I have kept here personally.