Genus Lampropelma

[GoTerps]

Hi Wade,

I believe they should just be called Lampropelma sp. "Borneo" though.

Edit... but very nice, and glad you got them

Eric

 

[syndicate]

nice one!where did u get these from if ya dont mind me asking?

 

[Wadew]

There are a couple breeders in denmark who have been successful as of late

Wade

 

[EDED]

cool species,

i hope you bought enough to start a breeding stock in the US

 

[syndicate]

There are a couple breeders in denmark who have been successful as of late

Wade

yeah ive notcied these for sale on alot of the euro forums if u get any more let me know im local

 

[Bearo]

Hi Wade,

I believe they should just be called Lampropelma sp. "Borneo" though.

Edit... but very nice, and glad you got them

Eric

We call them Lampropelma sp. "Orange fringed" (yes, you read right, the europeans are using common names hehe, I dont know why though)
there are many species that could be referd to with the name Lampropelma sp. "Borneo"

They are very easy to confuse with the "Haplopelma doriae", wich are also sold in Europe now

 

[GoTerps]

We call them Lampropelma sp. "Orange fringed" (yes, you read right, the europeans are using common names hehe, I dont know why though)there are many species that could be referd to with the name Lampropelma sp. "Borneo"

What other species are you refering too? that could be confused.... just curious!

Eric

 

[T.Raab]

We call them Lampropelma sp. "Orange fringed" (yes, you read right, the europeans are using common names hehe, I dont know why though)

Hi,

its not a "common name", its the species with a suffix.

 

[Bearo]

Hi,

its not a "common name", its the species with a suffix.

hhmmm... I would say common name within a suffix then
Are there rules to what you can put i a suffix? could you call a species ex. Avicularia sp. "blueback pinktoe with white hair" or where do we draw the line?

Eric>> I see now that I made a mistake, I really ment that there are more Ornithoctoninae on Borneo. But I think there are others speculated into Genus Lampropelma, like Lamp. sp. "Kalimantan"
Or is that the same as L. sp. "Orange fringed" or O. G. sp. "Haplopelma doriae" now?

Also if Cyriopagopus sp. "blue" (Malaysia, Singapore) would turn out to be L. violaceopes, then C. sp. "blue/black Borneo" could also be called L. sp. "Borneo", or the blue Cyrio. from Borneo maby?
Everything is a mess hehe

Anyway, what is a Lampropelma right now?
(Anybody got news about how Volker is doing with the papers btw?)

 

[T.Raab]

Hi Bearo,

i meant genus with suffix. ... My fault.

 

[GoTerps]

Hey Bearo,

Also if Cyriopagopus sp. "blue" (Malaysia, Singapore) would turn out to be L. violaceopes, then C. sp. "blue/black Borneo" could also be called L. sp. "Borneo"

No, I don't think that's what would happen. But maybe I'm thinking about this wrong.

Simon established Lampropelma in 1892 (L. nigerrimum) and Cyriopagopus in 1887 (C. paganus)

Now, strictly for the sake of argument, lets make 2 assumptions. First, that the genus Lampropelma, sensu Simon 1892, is a valid genus... and Second, that C. paganus is/was actually what we today consider Cyriopagopus.

Assuming the above to be true (Edit...and thinking about it now they don't matter much to this specific arguement), then if Cyriopagopus sp. "blue" does indeed prove to be what Abraham described as Lampropelma violaceopes in 1924, then all that needs to be done is to move L. violaceopes to the genus Cyriopagopus.

So, in response to your comment, there would be no scenario in which the "black" Cyriopagopus from Borneo would be called Lampropelma "anything".

PS... I didn't forget about your request! I'll get back with you soon!

Eric

 

[T.Raab]

Hi,

the genus Lampropelma and Cyriopagopus are atm valid. The keyfeature of Lampropelma is the brush of hairs on the the femur I and II (I'm not sure if the palps possess them too). Cyriopagopus lack this feature.

Like Eric pointed out corretly:
If the Cyriopagopus sp. "blue" would be identical to Lampropelma violaceopes sensu Abraham, this species would be transfered to the genus Cyriopagopus.

 

[syndicate]

wasnt Lampropelma violaceopes previously Haplopelma robustum?
also these arent aboreal correct?

 

[T.Raab]

Hi,

wasnt Lampropelma violaceopes previously Haplopelma robustum?

no, Lampropelma violaceopes was never a synonym of Haplopelma robustum.

Haplopelma robustum was described by Embrik Strand in 1907. Due the WWII were most of the Strand museum material in Stuttgart destroyed. So proably also the tpye of H. robustum.
The most description done by Strand are also useless in moderen taxonomy. This means, that it is very hard or even unpossible to ID a Haplopelma robustum proper.

You shouldn't mix the hobby/market stuff with scientific stuff. Maybe there were sold some H. robustum in the past, but does that mean that they were REAL ones (sensu Strand)?

Small example: If i sell a dog and call it cat, is it then a cat or a dog?
Same is in the hobby. A dealer gets new stuff, looks at it and decide to call it a name. The most dealer do not give the stuff first to a scientific working person for proper ID.

 

[Bearo]

aahh ok..

So then the name L. violaceopes would be null and C. sp. "blue" (the real L. violaceopes) would become a described Cyriopagopus species.. and this because its 100% that C. sp. "blue" is a Cyrio. and does not posses those brushes?
But L. nigerrimum will still be valid offcourse..

my fault, thanks for the right info guys

 

[T.Raab]

Hi,

IF Cyriopagopus is the same as Lampropelma violaceopes, the species L. violaceopes would be transfered to the genus Cyriopagopus.

 

[syndicate]

thanks for clearing that up.i read that somewhere.also hey are the L. violaceopes aboreal?

 

[Maikardaaion]

The same spider after moult (Lampropelma sp. Giant Orange Fringed)

 

[Hedorah99]

The same spider after moult (Lampropelma sp. Giant Orange Fringed)

Beautiful. They need to get these in the states.

 

[GoTerps]

Beautiful. They need to get these in the states.

They've been here for awhile... a quick search shows they're available from at least 2 sources right now.

PM for info if you're interested.

Eric