King Baboon Taranutula and Hallucinations

[Storm76]

The ONLY occasion where I read someone deliberately getting bitten by numerous T's over the time, is a mention of an Arachnologist in the TKG for scientific reasons, I forgot the name however.

Either way, I'll be blunt on this:

Why, on earth, do you even think about this? I seriously don't see the point of your question, or what you really want to know? Some people are retards and want a day off work maybe so they'll stick their hand in their T's enclosure to make sure, or whatnot. I don't get the point of this thread...please enlighten me.

 

[wesker12]

The ONLY occasion where I read someone deliberately getting bitten by numerous T's over the time, is a mention of an Arachnologist in the TKG for scientific reasons, I forgot the name however.

Either way, I'll be blunt on this:

Why, on earth, do you even think about this? I seriously don't see the point of your question, or what you really want to know? Some people are retards and want a day off work maybe so they'll stick their hand in their T's enclosure to make sure, or whatnot. I don't get the point of this thread...please enlighten me.

If the venom of a P.muticus truly does contain hallucinogenic components which can affect humans similarly to other psychoactive components (LSD, Psyilobycin, ect.).

 

[Storm76]

If the venom of a P.muticus truly does contain hallucinogenic components which can affect humans similarly to other psychoactive components (LSD, Psyilobycin, ect.).

Yes, and IF that's so? I mean what difference does it make, seriously? The bite is bad nevertheless, even if that symptom arises, you'll have probably way more problems with the rest of them...again - I don't see the point unless it would be for scientific research, which I doubt.

And without to offend anyone here, but the OP got the first bite from the first T within 3 weeks already. Uhm...there's no such thing as "bad luck" really, it's always your own fault, so owning an OW T while having run into getting bit already once by an usually extremely docile species is kinda making me think "uhm?". Again - no offense. Just questioning your motives for that question here.

Out of curiosity - how DID that bite from the B. albo happen anyways?!

 

[arachnidsrva]

Some older fellow came to my table once at a pet show and politely told me that a bite from a gigas cleared up a lot of his arthritis - he was really serious about it. As was his wife.

Weird huh ?

 

[Ultum4Spiderz]

Why did you want to taste tarantula venom? Why would someone deliberately be bitten just to get work off or score drugs? There are much simpler and much less painful ways of doing both those things. Why would someone want to be bitten before deciding what to keep? Does a venomous snake keeper let it bite them beforehand, just to see what it's like? Also, getting bitten is very uncommon. I am pretty confident that I will never suffer a bite. This thread is confusing me.

Yeah You would almost have to purposely get bit too actualy... get bitten by a burrower Old worlder... which would much rather hide in its burrow ::
Being bitten by a Mature male seems more likely erhaps a junkie will get some fangs :coffee:

 

[catfishrod69]

All of my P. muticus will argue with that .

Yeah You would almost have to purposely get bit too actualy... get bitten by a burrower Old worlder... which would much rather hide in its burrow ::
Being bitten by a Mature male seems more likely :

 

[Ultum4Spiderz]

my P muticus is 3" inches & just hides in its burrow .. ...I never mess with it :biggrin:
I tried to hold it when I got it started hissing & ran around

 

[catfishrod69]

I have a 6" female, two 5.5" females, a 3.5" female, two 4" males, and two 3.5" unknown. Definitely wont get near my hand. You should of seen me trying to pack one up. It was pretty vicious. It ended up on the floor in full threat, and attacking the paper towel. Usually they attack the roaches and crickets before realizing what they are.

my P muticus is 3" inches & just hides in its burrow .. ...I never mess with it :biggrin:
I tried to hold it when I got it started hissing & ran around

 

[MrWindupBird]

Some older fellow came to my table once at a pet show and politely told me that a bite from a gigas cleared up a lot of his arthritis - he was really serious about it. As was his wife.

Weird huh ?

Don't some people use honey-bee stings to treat arthritis as well?

[Sources]

http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=50602

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bee_sting

 

[Ultum4Spiderz]

I have a 6" female, two 5.5" females, a 3.5" female, two 4" males, and two 3.5" unknown. Definitely wont get near my hand. You should of seen me trying to pack one up. It was pretty vicious. It ended up on the floor in full threat, and attacking the paper towel. Usually they attack the roaches and crickets before realizing what they are.

Great FIngers crossed mines a female cant wait to see how mean it is as an adult in 5 years

 

[catfishrod69]

I wouldnt hold my breathe on 5 years lol. Being they get to 8", it might take longer.

Great FIngers crossed mines a female cant wait to see how mean it is as an adult in 5 years

 

[Ultum4Spiderz]

I wouldnt hold my breathe on 5 years lol. Being they get to 8", it might take longer.

SAlmon pink will be 9-11" inches before the KIng baboon is half sized >_>
not like they ever get 11" inches without being fed Mice/ or Native brazzilian diet but FIngers crossed :coffee:

 

[wesker12]

Yes, and IF that's so? I mean what difference does it make, seriously? The bite is bad nevertheless, even if that symptom arises, you'll have probably way more problems with the rest of them...again - I don't see the point unless it would be for scientific research, which I doubt.

Human curiosity, I remember a member on these boards whose signature was "not much to do but sit back and relax after a P.muticus bite", we aren't dealing with scorps or snakes here - I would'nt mind a little temporary pain for the sake of knowledge.

 

[Ultum4Spiderz]

Human curiosity, I remember a member on these boards whose signature was "not much to do but sit back and relax after a P.muticus bite", we aren't dealing with scorps or snakes here - I would'nt mind a little temporary pain for the sake of knowledge.

If u want to test out T bites have fun with it !!!! :biggrin: expect large puncure marks/wounds from huge fangs also

Ok just dont go and hunt down new Ts in the wild & do that ... there could be a Undiscovered T with VERY Potent Venom , hopefully not deadly :cry: for all we know
I would imagine Hundreds of species are undiscovered still =/

 

[charm271]

Putting my hand to my mouth was reflex reaction, I was not trying to get a bite from the B. albo just not experienced at handling the tarantula. Interesting experience not anything I would do on purpose even from Tarantulas with minor venom. The reflex reaction could cause more damage to the Tarantula and owner than the venom itself.

 

[wesker12]

If u want to test out T bites have fun with it !!!! :biggrin: expect large puncure marks/wounds from huge fangs also

Ok just dont go and hunt down new Ts in the wild & do that ... there could be a Undiscovered T with VERY Potent Venom , hopefully not deadly :cry: for all we know
I would imagine Hundreds of species are undiscovered still =/

Discounting venom and just focusing on mechanical damage, I believe this quote from Mr.Schultz should help explain the true nature of tarantula fangs.

Let's compare the bite of a generic tarantula with being stabbed by a hypodermic needle. Here's a scanning electron micrograph of a tarantula's fangs. Click the thumbnail for a larger image. Click that image to see it full size.




And, this link will take you to a Wikipedia Commons Image of hypodermic needles.

Comparing the two, you will notice that while the tarantula's fangs are slightly rounded on their tips, those tips are only about 5 microns in diameter (1/200 mm). Small enough that you cannot see the tips with the naked eye. And, you will also notice that the fangs are cone shaped (even though bent/curved slightly). When the fangs pierce the skin they produce a very tiny hole, disturbing very few pain endings on your nerves. As the fang enters that hole and slides deeper, the skin, which is rubbery very much like foam rubber, merely stretches to accommodate its entry. There is very little cutting or damage. Also, note that the opening on the fang is on the side that's away from the direction of the pressure as the tarantula forces the fang in. Thus, flesh isn't pressed into the opening, but rather actually pulled away from it allowing a small space for venom to be squirted into with little or no back pressure. Efficient, no?

Now, study the images of the hypodermic needles. First, you'll notice they're cylinders ... the same diameter their whole length except for the very tip. That means that they have to be the right size (BIG!) as they first go in. Stretching the skin happens a little, but it's almost an afterthought.

But, look at the tip! There's a sharp point all right, but it's the leading edge of two very sharp knives that literally slice their way into your hide ... cutting the ends of every pain sensor they come near! No wonder flu shots hurt so much! And, notice that the opening is on the leading end of the needle where it's most likely to get plugged. That, in turn, undoubtedly means extra pressure is required to deliver the payload. And, that means added jiggling and tissue damage. What sociopath invented these things anyway?

Now that we've laid the groundwork, I can answer your question, at least from a hypothetical perspective since, while I've been bitten dozens of times by smaller tarantulas, I've never been nailed by one of the giants. The bites of the giants shouldn't be much worse than just about any other tarantula's from a mechanical perspective. Your skin just has to stretch a little more, that's all. Cutting, ripping, and tearing are still kept to an absolute minimum.

Now, we need the input from the other readers of this thread. Come on people, chime in! WHO AMONG YOU HAVE EVER BEEN BITTEN BY ONE OF THE GIANT TARANTULAS? WOULD YOU CALL THE INITIAL PAIN FROM THE FANGS ENTERING YOUR SKIN MINIMAL, AVERAGE, SO-SO, INTENSE, EXCRUCIATING, INSUFFERABLE? Note that I'm not asking about any symptoms arising from any venom that might have been injected. Just the pain resulting from the first stab.

Enjoy your 1/4 pound, 8-legged, little Samurai!

 

[Stan Schultz]

suprisingly there is.. i cant recall the sp. or the member, but i was recently diggin around the bite reports, and saw somebody who was purposely being bit by the t because there was no readily avilable bite reports anywhere.. I will try to dig it up, but honestly, it isnt that important to me:sarcasm: Cant fix stupid

Early on in our association with tarantulas Marguerite and I both allowed a couple of species (I can't remember which any more. That was 40+ years ago!) to bite us for the purposes of seeing what a tarantula bite was all about. We were massively disappointed. We also handled (not just "manipulated") many species of tarantulas to determine their personalities. And, that exposed us to potential bites as well. We were, however, much more careful about handling the Old World species than the New World ones.

The worst bite I ever suffered was a bite by a Rio Grande gold tarantula (Aphonopelma moderatum, southwest Texas) on the little finger of my right hand. It felt the same as when your hand falls asleep because you were laying on it: numb except for a tingling. Virtually all other tarantula bites on me were asymptomatic. Either their venom was completely impotent with humans, or they were all dry bites.

Marguerite's worst bite involved an OBT and is documented in TKG3. It hurt like blazes, but was brought under control with a hefty dose of Demerol. She slept really good that night, and hosted a yard sale the next morning!

Why did we do this? Because no one else ever had. There were lots of "Old Wive's Tales" out there, but they could not be trusted. And, if we were going to tell the people who were buying our books and our tarantulas that tarantulas' bites were harmless, we thought we'd better darn well be sure of it! And besides, I couldn't talk the neighbor kid into being a guinea pig!



:biggrin:

 

[arachnidsrva]

The couple that came to the table were very serious about the gigas bite actually helping his arthritis

You are right though, there seems to be quite a bit of bee sting stuff/arthritis cures online - there must be some kind of linkage there

either that or people are just desperate to ease the pain - go the distance.

Marguerite's worst bite involved an OBT and is documented in TKG3. It hurt like blazes, but was brought under control with a hefty dose of Demerol. She slept really good that night, and hosted a yard sale the next morning!





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The part about the yardsale made me laugh kind of hard - because the beginning of the sentence talks about OBT bites. Like OBT Bite = yardsales

She is clearly a champion.

Your book is awesome. I have read your book....in my bed, on a toilet, in a field, in the car, at pet expos...etc... your hard work is appreciated.

Thanks

- Aaron

 

[Stan Schultz]

... The part about the yardsale made me laugh kind of hard - because the beginning of the sentence talks about OBT bites. Like OBT Bite = yardsales

She is clearly a champion.

Your book is awesome. I have read your book....in my bed, on a toilet, in a field, in the car, at pet expos...etc... your hard work is appreciated.

Thanks

- Aaron

And thank you for your perseverance! On the toilet, even? :laugh:

BTW, do you know about the Aftermarket Support page? Visit that page, check out all the sub-links, and especially check out Addenda and Errata. It's almost a whole new book, and it's free!

I hope no one else had to use it!

The toilet, I mean!

:roflmao: