Is it possible to chip a T?

[TheNatural]

Hi guys,

As you can see Im from Brazil, and here the hobby is forbiden. We risk a very heavy penality to keep our pets here, but if we find a way to mark or chip our Ts we can legalize them.

So I was wondering... how is it possible do mark a T forever or to recognize it someway??

Any of you guys have ever thought about it? Maybe other countries have the same problem!

Thanks for any ideas or suggestions.

Best regards,

Gui

 

[David_F]

It might be possible to use PIT (Passive Integrated Transponder) tags. Check out this paper. I don't know how it would affect the tarantula over the course of it's life (the tarantulas in the study were preserved after two years) but...maybe it could be something to look into.

 

[TheNatural]

It might be possible to use PIT (Passive Integrated Transponder) tags. Check out this paper. I don't know how it would affect the tarantula over the course of it's life (the tarantulas in the study were preserved after two years) but...maybe it could be something to look into.

Hi David, very good info, thanks a lot!

:worship:
If any of this works, everybody is gonna be really happy down here!!

gui

 

[Scott C.]

How is marking the T's going to make them legal?
I suppose you could mark the carapace with white paint. I *doubt* it will hurt the T, and I don't think it will come off easily. You just have to redo it after molts. I marked an ant who lived in a hill under my driveway like this when I was a kid. I named him Albert, and saw him off, and on for months. Just thought I'd offer that up in case the tags are unavailable.

 

[agentbsmithi]

just be like "look at this spiders markings..i painted it myself" haha.

 

[Crotalus]

A ID chip needs to get inserted into the animal, its not possible to do that on tarantulas obviously. The PIT isnt for laymen, you would probably kill them.
Best idea is to try convince authorities that the chipmarking isnt possible on tarantulas and that its not really making any difference if you keep marked or unmarked spiders at home.

 

[Nate]

I don’t think subcutaneous ID chips would work. I would image it causes a huge problem during molting. If you were lucky it would probably be discharged with the molt and would have to be re-administered.

Another option is sedating the tarantula, shaving the abdomen and tattooing with white pigment.

Aquatic identification consists of suturing a single thread with a colored bead scheme into the subjects’ abdomen.

An old school method for identification (used a lot for reptiles) is digit schemes. This consists of cutting off a toe or two and use an ID chart. This is very limited because you usually can only go up to a 1,000 before you start repeating numbers.

All of these bring up another issue, coagulation. You would have to induce hemostasis. This can be induced with drugs but what effects they would have on tarantulas I have not a clue.

BTW, you’re talking to an identification expert. Fastest damn ear tagger in the entire facility.

 

[Nate]

It might be possible to use PIT (Passive Integrated Transponder) tags. Check out this paper.

That is awesome!

It sounds as if the surgery is VERY invasive not for the typical hobbyist. The insertion point makes this so difficult being around vital organs. This is very different then the microchip implantation used currently.

Here is a list of animals and administration sites and instructions:
http://www.wsava.org/Site1099.htm

 

[David_F]

That is awesome!

It sounds as if the surgery is VERY invasive not for the typical hobbyist. The insertion point makes this so difficult being around vital organs. This is very different then the microchip implantation used currently.

Here is a list of animals and administration sites and instructions:
http://www.wsava.org/Site1099.htm

Did you read the paper? I agree that there are questions about the safety of using PIT tags. It would have been better if the tarantulas were kept alive to see how they were affected over the long term instead of being preserved after two years. It is an invasive procedure that probably requires some level of expertise but I don't think very many average hobbyists would attempt to do this themselves. You mention tattooing and digit schemes...Were you suggesting that these are worth looking into instead of PIT tags? If so you may want to think about the invasiveness of those on an animal with an exoskeleton.

I'm far from being an expert on the use of PIT tags. I'm not suggesting that it would be feasible....I don't know if it would be. I'm just suggesting that PIT tags (and microchips...good call on your part ) may be something worth considering since external methods of marking are only temporary, tattooing is not an option because the cuticle will not heal over the ink, and digit schemes wouldn't work for what are, at least to me, obvious reasons. Besides, I don't think Steven Reichling (Google the name ) would have published a paper on this subject if it wasn't at all possible.

 

[TheNatural]

How is marking the T's going to make them legal?
I suppose you could mark the carapace with white paint. I *doubt* it will hurt the T, and I don't think it will come off easily. You just have to redo it after molts. I marked an ant who lived in a hill under my driveway like this when I was a kid. I named him Albert, and saw him off, and on for months. Just thought I'd offer that up in case the tags are unavailable.

Scott,

The law here says that if you can mark definetively, recognize and identify an animal you can keep it in captivity. So I guess It must be internal, si when it mots it doesnt lose the mark.

Thanks for the help,

G4LH4RDØ

 

[TheNatural]

Did you read the paper? I agree that there are questions about the safety of using PIT tags. It would have been better if the tarantulas were kept alive to see how they were affected over the long term instead of being preserved after two years. It is an invasive procedure that probably requires some level of expertise but I don't think very many average hobbyists would attempt to do this themselves. You mention tattooing and digit schemes...Were you suggesting that these are worth looking into instead of PIT tags? If so you may want to think about the invasiveness of those on an animal with an exoskeleton.

I'm far from being an expert on the use of PIT tags. I'm not suggesting that it would be feasible....I don't know if it would be. I'm just suggesting that PIT tags (and microchips...good call on your part ) may be something worth considering since external methods of marking are only temporary, tattooing is not an option because the cuticle will not heal over the ink, and digit schemes wouldn't work for what are, at least to me, obvious reasons. Besides, I don't think Steven Reichling (Google the name ) would have published a paper on this subject if it wasn't at all possible.

Hi David, I not just red it but I imidiately translated it to portuguese and posted in our brazilian forum ((>link<)).
Thats a pitty that they didnt keep the 12 Ts for a longer time, I didnt understand why, if the experiment was about finding a long time marker! They prooved that they can live 2 years whith the transponder but not a long time.

Its probably not the ultimate solution for our problem with the law here in BR, but it certainly helps a lot, this tecniche opens a big door for us, I guess with new tecmologies and some research this small transpondes can be improved and get amaller.

I will google "Steven Reichling".

Thanks again, greatful help.

G4LH4RDØ

 

[David_F]

Hi David, I not just red it but I imidiately translated it to portuguese and posted in our brazilian forum.

Hi Gui,
That question wasn't directed to you. More to the person who had questions about things that were addressed in the paper.

Good luck. I hope one day you can keep tarantulas (and other animals) legally.

 

[Nate]

Did you read the paper? I agree that there are questions about the safety of using PIT tags. It would have been better if the tarantulas were kept alive to see how they were affected over the long term instead of being preserved after two years. It is an invasive procedure that probably requires some level of expertise but I don't think very many average hobbyists would attempt to do this themselves. You mention tattooing and digit schemes...Were you suggesting that these are worth looking into instead of PIT tags? If so you may want to think about the invasiveness of those on an animal with an exoskeleton.

I didn’t read the paper until after my first post. I wasn’t saying you were insinuating the use of the PIT for hobbyists or it won't work. This is very different.

Regarding the other methods of identification I was merely mentioning common lab identification methods. If we can easily ID fish and frogs I was hoping for an easier method than the PIT. It’s required sometimes for me to be inventive with such obstacles at work and I was thinking out loud.

 

[TheNatural]

I didn’t read the paper until after my first post. I wasn’t saying you were insinuating the use of the PIT for hobbyists or it won't work. This is very different.

Regarding the other methods of identification I was merely mentioning common lab identification methods. If we can easily ID fish and frogs I was hoping for an easier method than the PIT. It’s required sometimes for me to be inventive with such obstacles at work and I was thinking out loud.

Hi nat, I red your paper and there was nothing about spiders! Have U ever had any "inventive" solution for them? Thanks!

any help will be apreciated.

galhardo