indian ornamental colony

[crok118]

hi
we have 3 female and 1 male indian ornamentals. we know they can be colonised but these are all adults and have lived seperately. i was just wondering if they can still be colonised and if so how to go about it. we already have a colony of 4 bengal spotted ornamentals but they have always been a colony. i would normally just try them and see how they go but these are quite an expensive spider to lose so i thought i'd ask your advice.
Thank a lot.

 

[the nature boy]

hi
we have 3 female and 1 male indian ornamentals. we know they can be colonised but these are all adults and have lived seperately. i was just wondering if they can still be colonised and if so how to go about it. we already have a colony of 4 bengal spotted ornamentals but they have always been a colony. i would normally just try them and see how they go but these are quite an expensive spider to lose so i thought i'd ask your advice.
Thank a lot.

First, it would help if you could give us the scientific names of the species. Common names ("Indian Ornamentals") can often mean one of any number of species. I personally wouldn't put anything together that hadn't been from the same egg sack and been living together. I tried a colony with very young S. calceatums and they picked each other off. For that matter, the only species that I've heard can truly be kept communally is H. incei. All the others go just fine for a while then...hey, where did that one go?!!! My answer would be no, don't do it.

 

[gumby]

H. incei is a gamble sometimes too I had five @ .5" in a set up and fed them prekilled crickets one a day and I still ended up with one naughty big T. I think in the wild they still eat each other but it is much harder to to see then when we have five and one gos missing. Also in the wild they are not confined to the same area they can choose to leave and may do so.

 

[Spyder 1.0]

Well, that was useless TNB...

Yes the species Poecilotheria regalis (common name Indian Ornamental) is a very tolerant species when raised together from slings. Only Poecilotheria rufilata can be housed together as adults (not raised up together but introduced later). I say that because i've seen it happen twice.

So, I wouldn't advise introducing them together as adults unless you are planning on breeding them, or you have a 100 gallon tank.

 

[the nature boy]

Well, that was useless TNB...

Yes the species Poecilotheria regalis (common name Indian Ornamental) is a very tolerant species when raised together from slings. Only Poecilotheria rufilata can be housed together as adults (not raised up together but introduced later). I say that because i've seen it happen twice.

So, I wouldn't advise introducing them together as adults unless you are planning on breeding them, or you have a 100 gallon tank.

Huh... Um...you pretty much just echoed what I said, dude. And, no, I don't know what the hell an Indian Ornamental is. I'm not terribly embarrassed that I just know scientific names.

 

[crok118]

Huh... Um...you pretty much just echoed what I said, dude. And, no, I don't know what the hell an Indian Ornamental is. I'm not terribly embarrassed that I just know scientific names.

well, im only 15 years old and am asking this for my dad so im not terribly embarrassed that i just know the common name

 

[crok118]

thanks for the advice guys

 

[the nature boy]

well, im only 15 years old and am asking this for my dad so im not terribly embarrassed that i just know the common name

I wasn't saying that you should be or trying to take a shot at you. Common names are a pet peeve of 99.999% of us on AB. How many "bird eaters" are there? Just about everything large from the new world is called a "bird eater" by somebody. Scientific names just make things a lot less confusing. That's it.

 

[crok118]

I wasn't saying that you should be or trying to take a shot at you. Common names are a pet peeve of 99.999% of us on AB. How many "bird eaters" are there? Just about everything large from the new world is called a "bird eater" by somebody. Scientific names just make things a lot less confusing. That's it.

well, i could have just said ornamental and that would have made it a lot harder. anyway, i wont be on here to annoy you all

 

[the nature boy]

well, i could have just said ornamental and that would have made it a lot harder. anyway, i wont be on here to annoy you all

You haven't annoyed me at all. Honestly, I wasn't trying to flame you. Get to know Warren bautista. He's your age, a great guy (when not being a smart...lol) and could teach you the ropes and fill you in on the personalities here. You're welcome here where I'm concerned.

 

[nakazanie]

Sorry Crok. You QUICKLY learn which people to ignore on this board. Common names are fine, and they are about as arbitrary as "scientific names." Taxonomy (naming organisms) is a little silly and is somewhat of a relic. I guess the hobbyists here think it's cool or "scientific" or something. I use them, too, but just to keep from getting crapped on all the time like you just got.

Now I too, sigh, will await the fun flaming.

Nak

 

[arachnochicken]

WOW this thread is certainly going in the wrong direction .

The way I read "the nature boy's " comments it didn't seem to me like he was trying to insult or flame anyone . As for "scientific " names over common names , its not a matter of trying to look impressive its a matter of making sure its the right animal . I've seen tons of people on here ask about a certain tarantula and when they post a picture of it its not even the right one . They were either sold something entirely different or the were mislabeled when they were sold or they were outright screwed over .
Thats why when ever I ask a question I post both common and scientific names (even if I have to look one or the other up) this way theres no confusion on anyones part ......that and so people don't start getting snotty with each other .

P.S. yes some people do seem to get their rocks off knowing the scientific names but to most of the people on here it doesn't seem to make difference either way .

edit : I stan corrected , it seemed like he WAS trying to flame "spyderowner69" but he did disserve it .

 

[DreadLobster]

Ha ha. The Nature Boy for once is not being a smart $*#, and people immediately jump on him for no reason. Again, he answered the question in the first reply, and everyone agrees on the point that its a bad idea to try and put adult tarantulas together like that. If you wanna try the communal thing, you'll have to do some more research. It can be done, but only with the right species, and its always kinda up in the air whether or not it will all go well. Assuming you're talking about P. regalis, yes, if you get a batch of slings from the same sac that have never really been separated, you can probably make a successful colony.

Sorry Crok. You QUICKLY learn which people to ignore on this board. Common names are fine, and they are about as arbitrary as "scientific names." Taxonomy (naming organisms) is a little silly and is somewhat of a relic. I guess the hobbyists here think it's cool or "scientific" or something. I use them, too, but just to keep from getting crapped on all the time like you just got.

Now I too, sigh, will await the fun flaming.

Nak

What exactly did TNB say that should be ignored? He was 100% correct in everything he said. I'm not trying to flame. I'm not trying to pick a fight. I'm not gonna start name calling or anything. But common names lead to ridiculous and easily avoided confusion. Especially once buying and selling come into the equation. Once you buy something labeled with a common name and realize you just paid for the wrong species, you'll understand. There are some common names that everyone knows and accepts, such as King Baboon, or OBT, etc... but for the most part, it IS best to learn the scientific names regardless. It keeps everyone on the same page.

While I can see your point that the system is a little silly sometimes, it is in no way a relic. Nothing in science is perfect, but taxonomy is the best system we've come up with over hundreds of years to help keep the millions upon millions of species on this planet sorted out. You're implying that people being "scientific" somehow means that they're full of it or something. It is science that allows us to keep these things alive in captivity, breed them, sell them, buy them, and enjoy them. I fail to see how that should be ignored.

 

[Randomhero148]

Welcome to the hobby.

TNB said nothing to flame him. But for the OP you should learn the Latin names for your T's so there is no confusion among the species. Like he said there are lots of bird eaters, lots of pink toes, lots of baboons ect. I think most people don't know the common names of the tarantulas unless its a very common one "rose hair", "cobalt blue", "obt".

Lets say someone gave you the wrong information because they thought the "Indian ornamental" was a completely different spider, and you went and bought a couple of them and put them together, you could of ended up with a bunch of dead tarantulas.

I am not trying to gang up on you or anything, and sorry this post has nothing to do with your original post, but just wanted to say that.
Good luck with your tarantula's and stay on the boards, their are lots of people that will help you with all your questions, but obviously there might be a couple mean people out there, but they usually get flamed by everyone else for being mean so don't worry, just about everyone is here to help!