IL tring to ban many types of arachnids (and other critters)

[Eldric]

http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/97/SB/09700SB3264.htm

This looks bad. It starts here, where will it spread?

If you are an Illinois Resident I would call your local representitives as this bill is taking away some of your rights to own certin arachnids. Section 5 it names many common arachnids that are traded in the hobby.

(18) Dangerously venomous arachnids and insects
6 including, but not limited to, all scorpions of the family
7 Buthidae; the genus Nebo; and any others that the
8 Department, by administrative rule, designates; spiders,
9 including, but not limited to, the genera Atrax, such as
10 funnel-web spiders; Chiracanthium, such as sac spiders;
11 Gorgyrella, such as African trapdoor spiders; Hadronyche,
12 such as funnel-web spiders; Latrodectus, such as widow
13 spiders; Loxosceles, such as recluse spiders; Macrothele,
14 such as funnel-web spiders; Missulena, such as mouse
15 spiders; Phoneutria, such as Brazilian wandering or
16 huntsman spiders; Sicarius, such as six-eyed crab spiders;
17 Steatoda, such as false black widows; centipedes,
18 including, but not limited to, the genera Scolopendra and
19 Strigamia; and any others that the Department, by
20 administrative rule, designates or deems medically
21 significant.
22 (19) Other animals that the Director, after consulting
23 with the Dangerous Animal Advisory Council, designates, by
24 administrative rule, as dangerous animals.

(20) Any individual animal identified by an authorized
26 law enforcement officer, which is not specifically listed

SB3264 - 6 - LRB097 16730 CEL 61904 b

1 but deemed dangerous by the Circuit Court based on the
2 actions of the animal and that poses a threat to human
3 safety. "

Many snakes including Boas and Pythons as well

(13) Rats and mice of the genus Praomys, including
15 multimammate rats from the subgenus Mastomys, such as
16 Gambian pouched rats; porcupines; and prairie dogs.
17 (14) Venomous reptiles, regardless of whether they
18 have been surgically altered, including, but not limited
19 to, venomous species of the following families or genera of
20 the order Squamata: Helodermatidae, such as gila monsters
21 and beaded lizards; Elapidae, such as cobras and coral
22 snakes; Hydrophiidae, such as sea snakes; Viperidae and
23 Crotalinae, such as vipers and pit vipers;
24 Atractaspididae, such as burrowing asps; as well as
25 colubrids such as the: Alsophis, such as the West Indian
26 racers; Boiga, such as boigas and mangrove snakes; Conophis




SB3264 - 4 - LRB097 16730 CEL 61904 b



1 such as road guarders; Dispholidus, such as Boomslang;
2 Hydrodynastes, such as false water cobras; Hemirhagerrhis,
3 such as bark snakes; Macropisthodon, such as varied or
4 hooded keelbacks; Madagascarophis, such as Madagascar
5 common snakes; Malpolon, such as Montpellier snakes;
6 Mimophis, such as Mahafaly sand snakes; Phalotris, such as
7 collared snakes; Philodryas, such as palm snakes or green
8 racers; Psammophis, such as sand snakes or racers;
9 Psammophylax, such as skaapstekers; Rhabdophis, such as
10 keelbacks; Rhamphiophis, such as beaked snakes;
11 Tachymenis, such as slender snakes or false vipers;
12 Thelotornis, such as Twig snakes; Thrasops, such as black
13 tree snakes; Tomodon, such as Pampas snakes; Waglerophis,
14 such as Wagler's snakes; Xenodon, such as false
15 fer-de-lances; Boiga irregularis, including specimens or
16 eggs of the brown tree snake; and any others that the
17 Department designates, by administrative rule, as outlined
18 or deemed medically significant.
19 (15) All members of the Boidae family, such as boas,
20 pythons, and anacondas as provided by the Department by
21 administrative rule.

Many more animals are listed in the link.

 

[catfishrod69]

When will these idiots stop? They have absolutely no right. Hey cars kill more people in the world than any animals, why are we allowed to own cars? Beer, look it up in the dictionary. It's a drug. Man-made Hullucination.

 

[grayzone]

i hate "big brother"

 

[Ultum4Spiderz]

Ouch, so much for owning any huntsman spiders or scorps if this law passes
Thankfully I live in Ohio
Anyway you can petition this law?

 

[catfishrod69]

It will be coming to Ohio eventually. The python ban has started a chain reaction, until every state has banned every animal ownable except for barking, crapping dogs.

Ouch, so much for owning any huntsman spiders or scorps if this law passes
Thankfully I live in Ohio
Anyway you can petition this law?

 

[Ultum4Spiderz]

Thats very bad news, We need to find a way around this I wana buy a Fat Tailed scorpion someday...
We need a petiton or something

 

[jayefbe]

Yup. This is awful. If anyone supports any kind of animal ban and believes that it won't affect our hobby one day is misguided. The anti-pet activist will not stop until ALL PETS are illegal.

What's really important for every individual in this hobby is to practice responsible and safe keeping of arachnids. Tarantulas aren't included on that list.....yet. All it will take is a single irresponsible individual who lets a Poecilotheria sp. get loose in his parents house and bite a small child (imagine the damage that would inflict, we are much too willing to call all tarantula venom non-life-threatening). Tarantulas will be directly in the limelight along with pythons and other large snakes. Every time I see a "what's the meanest T", "can I handle my pokiez", or "which tarentula haz the strongest poizonz?" thread I fear that these potentially dangerous spiders are getting into the wrong hands and the end result will be a permanent black mark on the entire hobby. The python hobby is under attack because some morons left their giant snake in an obviously insecure and entirely inappropriate enclosure in the same room as a small child. The exact same thing could happen with us.

 

[SamuraiSid]

I thought you guys lived in the "Land of the Free" ?

This is unfortunate, and I see the wildfire spreading to Canada one day.... Its an unfortunate reality that even though thousands of people have succesfully kept these critters without coming into harm, that all it takes is one dumb ass to ruin it for the rest of us... Maybe as a rule of thumb: Dont sell to dumbass'

 

[Moonbug]

I hope the people in that state fight it. Thanks for letting us know!!!

 

[Rob1985]

It doesn't list Theraphosidae and I have no desire to own anything with life threatening venom.

But that's Illinois for ya, the only state that doesn't allow concealed carry of a firearm without a special permit. Thank god it doesn't apply to me!

 

[catfishrod69]

Yeah "Land of The Free" if you are rich and powerful enough.

 

[PrimalTaunt]

Thank god it doesn't apply to me!

Don't be so sure. "and any others that the Department, by
20 administrative rule, designates or deems medically
21 significant.
22 (19) Other animals that the Director, after consulting
23 with the Dangerous Animal Advisory Council, designates, by
24 administrative rule, as dangerous animals."

That sounds rather vague to me and could potentially come to include some of the OW species at the very least.

 

[Ultum4Spiderz]

such a shame, now they are coming after the pet trade.
why not go after illegal drugs instead? instead of wasting time on Python bans /venomous animal bans:cry:
cars kill way more people then any Animal.

 

[Rob1985]

Don't be so sure. "and any others that the Department, by
20 administrative rule, designates or deems medically
21 significant.
22 (19) Other animals that the Director, after consulting
23 with the Dangerous Animal Advisory Council, designates, by
24 administrative rule, as dangerous animals."

That sounds rather vague to me and could potentially come to include some of the OW species at the very least.

I was actually just talking to a local breeder friend of mine and we both agree that the likely scenario would be the S. cal and H.mac being added to that list. But honestly this hobby is so small in our state compared to others that the goal isn't to ban every animal with medically significant venom, but those which truly pose a danger.

 

[Bosing]

sad... just sad and bad. I can't imagine adjusting to a life without my pet Ts. They've become so part of my daily/weekly routine.

 

[Necromion]

I was actually just talking to a local breeder friend of mine and we both agree that the likely scenario would be the S. cal and H.mac being added to that list. But honestly this hobby is so small in our state compared to others that the goal isn't to ban every animal with medically significant venom, but those which truly pose a danger.

Problem is that typically once they start banning things, they dont stop. I mean I can understand passing laws like in some states you have to have a permit to own venemous reptiles, but in reality there a people who still own venemous reptiles without the permits so heck all these laws really do is punish us law abiding citizens the idiots who don't care and are the ones to carelessly release these animals are still going to own them.

although on a side note, I do think that the tight wads in IL. need to lay up a little. Im a competative shooter and one of the national events that I go to every summer is in that state, and each year at this event is an RV that houses a well trained SWAT team. Apparently its the result of some law or something, but considering this is one of the largest shoots in the nation and most of us who go typically have gun, I don't think the SWAT team is an effective use of resources.
~end rant

 

[Eldric]

If this gets passed I forsee many other states trying to enact this. According to the wording they can add any animal they feel like at any time. One bite by a pokie or h. maculata etc and it will only take one uninformed person to get all tarantulas on this list. Can you really see them taking the time to distinguish between the different species? Or caring for that matter?

 

[Necromion]

agreed on this

 

[Rob1985]

If this gets passed I forsee many other states trying to enact this. According to the wording they can add any animal they feel like at any time. One bite by a pokie or h. maculata etc and it will only take one uninformed person to get all tarantulas on this list. Can you really see them taking the time to distinguish between the different species? Or caring for that matter?

I don't think tarantulas are a big issue and if they ban them then so be it. At least I still have my boy Blue (Russian Blue).

 

[Irisiridescent]

I thought you guys lived in the "Land of the Free" ?

This is unfortunate, and I see the wildfire spreading to Canada one day.... Its an unfortunate reality that even though thousands of people have succesfully kept these critters without coming into harm, that all it takes is one dumb ass to ruin it for the rest of us... Maybe as a rule of thumb: Dont sell to dumbass'

It's already spreading towards Canada in some forms and the UK too.