If a lividum is not webbing?

[LV-426]

just leave it alone. I suggest you make a premade hole for her. I had mine for a week and it was scrunched up in the corner until I made a hole for it and the first night with the hole, she took it immediately and webbed it up.:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:

i did make a starter burrow after reading this thread yesterday, i did the best i could till i can give it a more proper housing

 

[Unravel]

it should burrow but adjustment time would be different for different individuals id imagine. Also the way different individuals behave is a thing not to forget. I have 15 p. murinus of equal size housed in exactly the same enclosure with same conditions. TWO of them are on top ALL of the time, can see them the whole day, the rest are burrowed somewhere. Conditions for all are exactly the same. Not saying that it shouldn't burrow but maybe there's some basic variability in behavior. Regardless, im sure she will take to a hole eventually.

Btw is this the cobalt you picked up from the pet store? They had it housed for 5 months plus on pine without a burrow, maybe she'll need a longer adjusting period.

 

[paassatt]

I guess not starting a burrow for her is a way (at least in my head) for her to feel more "at home", or maybe like she's still in Thailand. I'm hoping that she still feels like she's in the wild. I see some of these T's eat and I feel, through the sight of what they're doing, they feel (and act) as though they are still in the wild. It feels like they never knew that cricket was dropped into the enclosure by me.

Which part of having your H. lividum scrunched up in a corner of a terrarium is natural? Which do you feel is the easier way to go about things- dig your own burrow, or adopt one that's already on its way to being finished? Your new spider will be stressed, so why can't you fathom giving it something to sit in and be safe for a while? What does not starting a burrow for it have to do with "feeling at home in Thailand?" You're really making no sense here at all, I'm afraid.

 

[jgod790]

Btw is this the cobalt you picked up from the pet store? They had it housed for 5 months plus on pine without a burrow, maybe she'll need a longer adjusting period.[/QUOTE]


Yea actually I was thinking about that, maybe it is not burrowing due to the conditions it was being kept in at the pet store. They had it for 5 months?! Btw, I have a job interview tomorrow, so I will be messaging you about what we talked about before.

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Which part of having your H. lividum scrunched up in a corner of a terrarium is natural? Which do you feel is the easier way to go about things- dig your own burrow, or adopt one that's already on its way to being finished? Your new spider will be stressed, so why can't you fathom giving it something to sit in and be safe for a while? What does not starting a burrow for it have to do with "feeling at home in Thailand?" You're really making no sense here at all, I'm afraid.

I pre dig burrows, but I find his view interesting, and he has his own opinion, and you should just respect it and leave him alone, regardless whether you agree with him or not. It is very interesting to see what a small tarantula is capable of doing. It is more natural, because you are able to see the tarantulas natural design of making there own "home" rather then something you made. Now I also understand your point of view and where you are coming from. My point is, we all have our own views and opinions, no one is right or wrong, and we need to respect others views and not ridicule simply because we have a different opinion.

 

[paassatt]

I pre dig burrows, but I find his view interesting, and he has his own opinion, and you should just respect it and leave him alone, regardless whether you agree with him or not. It is very interesting to see what a small tarantula is capable of doing. It is more natural, because you are able to see the tarantulas natural design of making there own "home" rather then something you made. Now I also understand your point of view and where you are coming from. My point is, we all have our own views and opinions, no one is right or wrong, and we need to respect others views and not ridicule simply because we have a different opinion.

You guys are tossing around the word "natural" and it's making no sense in this context. Is it not natural for a spider to come across an abandoned burrow in the wild? And I'm not ridiculing anybody. Nothing I'm saying is inflammatory or disrespectful; you're just perceiving it as such. I'm merely engaging in debate.

 

[Mez]

Would a H. lividum be roaming looibg for a burrow? I guess if disturbed..

 

[AmbushArachnids]

Just my opinion: They may migrate from time to time depending on the amount of food or moisture in the area to survive. Climate change may cause them to move. Floods may be a reason to abandon a burrow. My only point is that they "might" take to a burrow already constructed in the wild if they do it in captivity. Im not saying for certain that they do but how does anyone know they havent? For the most part they should have no reason to leave a nice humid safe burrow. And since they are not in the wild, building a burrow is a perfectly fine way to give them a place to hide. Instead of waiting for a stressed out spider to feel comfortable enough to build one.

 

[paassatt]

building a burrow is a perfectly fine way to give them a place to hide. Instead of waiting for a stressed out spider to feel comfortable enough to build one.

This is the point I've been trying to make. The concept of replicating what's "natural" got way out of hand in this thread. Your spider is not in the wild. Your spider is in captivity, in your care, and you are responsible for its well-being. That being said, build it a dang "starter burrow" and let it feel safe and comfortable while it gets used to its new surroundings. Throwing it into an enclosure and expecting it to acclimate and start burrowing on its own is asking a bit much, in my opinion.

 

[Tym Hollerup]

I pre dig burrows, but I find his view interesting, and he has his own opinion, and you should just respect it and leave him alone, regardless whether you agree with him or not. It is very interesting to see what a small tarantula is capable of doing. It is more natural, because you are able to see the tarantulas natural design of making there own "home" rather then something you made. Now I also understand your point of view and where you are coming from. My point is, we all have our own views and opinions, no one is right or wrong, and we need to respect others views and not ridicule simply because we have a different opinion.

Thank you for that.

This is the point I've been trying to make. The concept of replicating what's "natural" got way out of hand in this thread. Your spider is not in the wild. Your spider is in captivity, in your care, and you are responsible for its well-being. That being said, build it a dang "starter burrow" and let it feel safe and comfortable while it gets used to its new surroundings. Throwing it into an enclosure and expecting it to acclimate and start burrowing on its own is asking a bit much, in my opinion.

paassatt - I do understand what you are saying a bit clearer now. I do however believe I am doing things (although different from yours) right for my species. I don't want too say there is really a "right" or "wrong" way when dealing with burrowers. Or any type of species for that matter. I just think we do the best we can. Do what we feel is the best for our spiders. I respect you as well as your thoughts. I just do things a bit different. If Jessica doesn't burrow herself after a while though, I will consider a "starter" like you spoke of. The one plus I can see is that she has at least gotten comfortable enough to web her side up. She isn't always in the corner either. She roams. Mainly just on one side though. At least she hangs out on the deep side of the enclosure I guess. Now I just need too wait. If you provide it, they will dig. At least that's what I'm thinking anyway.

 

[Cuddly Cobalt]

my cobalt blue is not aggresive. Maybe she's stressed? I have just bought her