If a lividum is not webbing?

[jgod790]

If a lividum is not webbing, or using a pre dug burrow, does this mean they are not happy?

 

[kutlu]

hello there jgod790

hmmmm well how deep is substrate, whats humidity?, what average temp is it, how much space is their and how dark is it?

their are many factors leading into why your T doesn't make silk or a burrow.

 

[jgod790]

The temperature is usually mid 70s during night, low or mid 80s during the day. I keep it moist enough to the point where you can "see" the moisture in the substrate, if you know what I mean, kinda like condensation. And during the day I open my window and let the sun in ( no sun is not directly on the enclosure ) and at night its obviously dark. So she has a good sense of day/night but isn't BLINDED by light during the day. Its actually relatively dark for her even during the day. I mean I'm glad my lividum is not just a pet hole and I can see her all the time, I am just a little worried that something might be wrong.

 

[kutlu]

Interesting. Thats a good setting you got there, what about noise levels and vibrations that may also be a factor or she/he is about to molt but then that would give them more of a reason to make a web so im not completely sure. what might you think the problem is has she/he molted recently or something tell me wHAT you think it might be?.

 

[Tym Hollerup]

The temperature is usually mid 70s during night, low or mid 80s during the day. I keep it moist enough to the point where you can "see" the moisture in the substrate, if you know what I mean, kinda like condensation. And during the day I open my window and let the sun in ( no sun is not directly on the enclosure ) and at night its obviously dark. So she has a good sense of day/night but isn't BLINDED by light during the day. Its actually relatively dark for her even during the day. I mean I'm glad my lividum is not just a pet hole and I can see her all the time, I am just a little worried that something might be wrong.

You never did answer how deep your substrate is... Also, what type of substrate are you using?

 

[jgod790]

I use exo terra plantation soil, with a little bit of forest moss here and there on the top, it comes in a brick. The depth is not even, but it is a good 10 inches deep in the deepest part. I pre dug a burrow.

 

[kristinnandbenn]

If a lividum is not webbing, or using a pre dug burrow, does this mean they are not happy?

How long has the spider been in it's enclosure?

 

[xhexdx]

If a lividum is not webbing, or using a pre dug burrow, does this mean they are not happy?

Yes .

 

[Mez]

Yes .

Really? So would it be 'sad'?
It depends how long its been in there, if you have only just got it, I wouldn't worry. Try providing a hide for it if you haven't done so already, it may feel more secure and burrow underneath it.

 

[xhexdx]

'Stressed' would be a better word than 'sad'.

 

[Tym Hollerup]

I really wouldn't say stressed or sad. If it is a new pet, and has just moved into his/her new home, it may take a while. I got my H. lividum last Thursday and within 1 day there was a fair amount of webbing. However, not even a touch of a burrow has been started to this date! I never "pre-dug". I believe firmly in keeping things more "natural" in such environments. My P. chordatus and P. lugardi both made deep burrows within the first 2 days of moving in!!! The substrate wasn't as deep as my lividum's, but they made it work. Actually made an "ant hill" of sorts with substrate all the way too the top of the enclosure. About 5" of substrate made into 8"!!! LOL. My H. lividum has the same substrate as you're using (with a mix of Vermiculite as well) that I have packed at around 7" in depth. Give your new pet time too make a burrow. If no webbing is done in a couple more days than get back to us, and add some pictures if you can.

 

[xhexdx]

I really wouldn't say stressed or sad. If it is a new pet, and has just moved into his/her new home, it may take a while.

That's because it's stressed.

 

[AmbushArachnids]

I really wouldn't say stressed or sad. If it is a new pet, and has just moved into his/her new home, it may take a while. I got my H. lividum last Thursday and within 1 day there was a fair amount of webbing. However, not even a touch of a burrow has been started to this date! I never "pre-dug". I believe firmly in keeping things more "natural" in such environments. My P. chordatus and P. lugardi both made deep burrows within the first 2 days of moving in!!! The substrate wasn't as deep as my lividum's, but they made it work. Actually made an "ant hill" of sorts with substrate all the way too the top of the enclosure. About 5" of substrate made into 8"!!! LOL. My H. lividum has the same substrate as you're using (with a mix of Vermiculite as well) that I have packed at around 7" in depth. Give your new pet time too make a burrow. If no webbing is done in a couple more days than get back to us, and add some pictures if you can.

I wouldnt count out the possiblilty of an obligate burrower using a pre existing hole that was constructed by another animal in the wild. People have stated they will take to a pre existing one in captivity. Is that not natural behavior? Keeping them in a cage isnt natural. I think that went out the window when they plucked it from the wild, put it into a pet store and slapped a price on it. So whats the point of not starting a burrow for them?

 

[paassatt]

I wouldnt count out the possiblilty of an obligate burrower using a pre existing hole that was constructed by another animal in the wild. People have stated they will take to a pre existing one in captivity. Is that not natural behavior? Keeping them in a cage isnt natural. I think that went out the window when they plucked it from the wild, put it into a pet store and slapped a price on it. So whats the point of not starting a burrow for them?

Good point. Is it not plausible that a spider (especially a burrower) would readily take to a burrow previously occupied by something else in the wild? The entire process of obtaining your spider, from purchase to housing it when you get home, places a large amount of stress on it. It makes more sense, in my opinion, to give it something in which it can take residence ASAP so as to have somewhere to feel "safe" while it gets accustomed to its new surroundings instead of scrunching up in the corner.

 

[LV-426]

just looking at this thread makes me regret getting a H. lividum.

 

[Cuddly Cobalt]

just looking at this thread makes me regret getting a H. lividum.

lol why? its not bad why do you regret it?

 

[LV-426]

poor thing doesnt wanna burrow either, got it a few months ago. I need to get a enclosure that can fufill its burrowing needs. I had it in one but i moved it to a critter keeper when I got a big E. murinis.

 

[Tym Hollerup]

I wouldnt count out the possiblilty of an obligate burrower using a pre existing hole that was constructed by another animal in the wild. People have stated they will take to a pre existing one in captivity. Is that not natural behavior? Keeping them in a cage isnt natural. I think that went out the window when they plucked it from the wild, put it into a pet store and slapped a price on it. So whats the point of not starting a burrow for them?

I guess not starting a burrow for her is a way (at least in my head) for her to feel more "at home", or maybe like she's still in Thailand. I'm hoping that she still feels like she's in the wild. I see some of these T's eat and I feel, through the sight of what they're doing, they feel (and act) as though they are still in the wild. It feels like they never knew that cricket was dropped into the enclosure by me.

just looking at this thread makes me regret getting a H. lividum.

I hope you don't regret it. I surely will never regret getting mine! I love the little thing. A friend of mine had a lividum once that didn't burrow for 6 months!!! Also, sometimes certain T's won't even use pre dug holes! I had heard of one owner that dug out a 10" burrow. The lividum didn't use the burrow once! But 4 months later... He made his own.

 

[LV-426]

i forgot to mention that when it was in the original enclosure (which had 8in of substrate) it only burrowed just enough to hide itself (security burrow).

 

[Cuddly Cobalt]

poor thing doesnt wanna burrow either, got it a few months ago. I need to get a enclosure that can fufill its burrowing needs. I had it in one but i moved it to a critter keeper when I got a big E. murinis.

just leave it alone. I suggest you make a premade hole for her. I had mine for a week and it was scrunched up in the corner until I made a hole for it and the first night with the hole, she took it immediately and webbed it up.:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap: