I face palmed....HARD

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I explained the first and foremost tarantulas very rarely will maliciously bite a human. Then I also explained how tarantula venom is not harmful and deadly to humans.
Just some notes here..Tarantulas bite humans defensively, not maliciously. Physical damage, vomiting, headaches, muscle aches and cramps are all things I consider harmful affects to humans.

People react differently to not only being told that they are wrong, but how they are told they as well. Glad you were able to clear up some of her misconceptions, and hope she takes them to heart, even if her ego did not let it show.
 

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Just some notes here..Tarantulas bite humans defensively, not maliciously. Physical damage, vomiting, headaches, muscle aches and cramps are all things I consider harmful affects to humans.

People react differently to not only being told that they are wrong, but how they are told they as well. Glad you were able to clear up some of her misconceptions, and hope she takes them to heart, even if her ego did not let it show.
That is correct in referring to old world tarantulas which contain potent and medically significant venom. But new world t's do not carry medically significant venom and is known to be weaker than that of a bee. Either way it's good that she refrains from handling as long as it's for the right reasons and not from common misconceptions
 

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...But new world t's do not carry medically significant venom...
Unless there's an allergy..

There's always that caveat, regardless of potency compared to that of "bees." Not trying to rouse rabble, just making sure those facts are never conflated...
 

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just because buying animals on a whim happens all the time doesn't make it right and doesn't mean we should stop trying to educate people on proper care.
100% agree. I try and do this any chance I get. Some are receptive, some not so much. Not going to stop me from trying though. After all, it is the animal's well being that I am most concerned with.

But please go on about how I offended you somehow
They never said you offended them. They were making a point and expressing their opinion, just like you were. ;)


We all need to stop trying to discern "tone" from words typed on a screen. So many miscommunications could be easily avoided, if only.
 

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Some :wacky: guy asked me that once I said no would you defange a cat???
The spider no longer be able to eat.:banghead::banghead:
I mean, people declaw cats. For using their claws to do things that are entirely expected and predictable. Cat behaves like a cat and the response is shocked pikachu face and a procedure that causes pain at the time and drastically increases the chance of arthritis in the related joints. 🤦‍♀️

Because why not get whatever animal you fancy and then alter it to suit your life? Instead of using one's brain and finding an animal likely to do well with you.
 

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She's the perfect keeper?!? Did you even read the whole story? In what universe is someone that knows nothing about an animal and just buys it on a whim because it was cheap and is waiting for her tarantula to no longer have venom the perfect keeper???


Also if you search- all sources say that tarantula venom is actually weaker than bee venom so there's no way it would have the same impact


Idk where you are getting your info or what hyaluronidase has to do with anything. Hyaluronidase is in numerous things including sperm and is used to break down collagen and is very beneficial for your body. Maybe you confused that with something else but it absolutely has no relevance to tarantula venom or supposedly being allergic to said venom especially when bee venom is proven to be more potent than tarantula venom. So the only irony really is the misinformation in your reply and believing that I'm giving medical advise that could kill a person. Not to mention I am a former EMT and was in the field for 4 yrs so....
I can't find the other responses, maybe they got consolidated into this one comment.

I believe she is the perfect keeper because she has had the spider for a year, kept it alive and doesn't handle it.

I only googled ingredients in tarantula venom and bee venom. In exactly 2 searches you will find the same words. I told you I didn't know what they meant. It would be enough for me not to want to say it's safe or fine. It's just the bare minimum due diligence I did before I opened my mouth/started typing to see if they had anything in common. But if you explain your logic too maybe we can clear that up.

It doesn't matter what big word you expose the human body to, the body can react to it. People can experience an allergic reaction to whatever body says it can, and to the extent it wishes, and maybe differently as it sees fit. And unless we know exactly which ingredient that the lady at the grocery store is allergic to in bee venom, then we can only look at the entire ingredient list. Is that fair? And let's say she did not have a history of anaphylaxis. Whew. That would be a huge red flag warning. If she has a epi pen then I'm not the smartest person to worry about it. Another red flag. I'd probably tell her to ask her doctor first. It's waaay above my pay grade. But thankfully I would never be talking someone into holding their tarantula at the potential detriment of both of them, or telling anyone that anything is safe. I don't even recommend OTC treatments off or on the clock. It's not in my protocols so the law won't protect me. Not even Tylenol. Because it's not in my drug box. Unsolicited advice that I know a teeny bit about scientifically...At the bare minimum id be afraid of someone googling and finding me wrong. But just basic allergies.... We ask every patient what they are allergic to and what happens when they are exposed. WHY? It matters! Not asking is negligent.

The truth is we could spend hours of research determining things like if venom a digestive enzyme or a paralytic agent, we would need to research all the ingredients, and then research the human body as well as the immunological responses each human *could* have, what repeated exposure does as well, and then run the numbers against a new allergen being exposed for the first time. You can't forget that no matter what research we all do or what has been done already, we still can't research enough to predict what is going to happen to an individual when exposed to allergens. But sorry for lack of better words no smart person could say it's not possible.

I will speak more to you saying there is no way there could be the same reaction but I'll be honest there is a ton of room to misinterpet so please forgive me if I'm way off. You mention potency, not as strong right? If it's not the same ingredients in bee venom, would potency matter? I might have scrolled over something mentioning bee venom is more potent. I just didn't open to see if it means it's the same ingredients just more, or the "effect" was more potent. And what is the effect of venom? Google says it's a paralytic agent. I recall from bio that the first step in human digestion is salivation. It's the saliva then mastication that starts to break up the food. We have thumbs and a brain instead of venom to immobilize. Maybe I'm wrong with the analogy.

Unless you meant same reaction like same allergic reaction. Hives, swelling, itching...well that's mild.... difficulty breathing, wheezing? Mild or not, you surely aren't saying someone can't experience those things if exposed to tarantula venom...or even setae... Or any other agent the body recognizes as foreign and triggers an immunological response. You learn this in bio, again in A&P, and then our vocational training in the medical emergencies section. But we have that extra training that should give us pause before we put a safety label on anything, plus a whole chapter on medicolegal. You say you are an EMT so that now makes you an expert witness if you use it to qualify yourself. That's the trust the public puts in you too when you announce your credentials.

Just one dumb anecdote but when I get bit by one ant, it makes the inside of my ears itch as well as my throat, so bad I'm practically swallowing chips whole. Ants. There was this one time as a kid I got bit by hundreds at once but I don't know if that has anything to do with it, it was so long ago. I just know what happens now. Within a minute or so. When I get stung by a bee, after about 24 hours it turns into a red golf ball sized hot lump, that lasts and itches like crazy for two weeks. I have no qualms about picking up a hurt or drowning bee because they are arguably the most important creature on this planet because I am an idiot but I also have no reason to believe a bee sting will mess me up like that. It's not a factor in why I don't hold my tarantulas. The only reason I do is if life saving interventions are required, and shoot, I expect to get bit and only focus on not reacting to the bite, so I don't do any more harm. Same reason I waited to get old worlds. I wasn't ready to not react to a spicier bite 🤣 But I avoid ants because Ive got enough to go off of.

I'm sorry for the long reply, I started this a few hours ago and I'm having to write with many disruptions at work so I'm sorry if I'm all over the place. I was not put off by your rebuttal(s) I just had a very busy day yesterday. I will always advocate for the animal. I am just as guilty as keeping them in captivity but I can only justify for one reason...it's that I can keep them safe from HUMANS. Otherwise I am just keeping them for selfish reasons, where they are unhappy and not living their best wild life.

One thing that I find unfair is your delivery about this woman, you came to the internet and said bad things about her and then people laughed. And someone even commented about her coming here. Because she's not holding her spider that she's kept alive a year. Well that would be classy of her if she doesn't to repay the libel. But the internet is forever, and is a character attestation in lieu of everything other way you could portray yourself. If you didn't "face palm" to her face then is this not just middle school bullying? I am trying to empathize with this woman but also point out that she may have not spread her misinformation on the internet as facts, and even further, didn't trash on anyone that didnt know better or disagrees. I would believe everything you said as long as I cant poke one hole in it and try to invalidate your position and credibility. Like venom digesting versus venom still being there. Did she face palm too? And get a confab to make fun of you? Is she just misinformed too? That is what I find ironic, the delivery (what you wrote and the tone you intended) and the person delivering sounding misinformed and advocating the thing we don't advocate here ...holding, and everyone hopping on the bullying bandwagon.

But that's just my way of thinking and calculating and confirming my sources. That's also a really good way of accepting future advice and how I vet the people I seek knowledge from. They're here. And anyone that disagrees with those people just doesn't know the facts yet, is too ignorant to comprehend or just has the attitude of not caring because their way is the right way. That's just me being extra though. I am so confused to see people here making fun of someone for being afraid to handle their tarantula. And to not tell you that the digestion starts in the mouth, not the fangs which really just hold the prey but can deliver venom, a biologically scarce defense mechanism. Otherwise fangless Ts could not survive off cricket soup?

If you read this far I am sorry 🤣 for the length, i am trying to sound nice on the internet when few words do trick but would definitely come across as mean. And I can't control how you receive it but I hope the amount of time I spent writing it does convey a genuine desire to be nice. Because I come from a world where women only serve to bring each other down and I strive to be different and will always call that out when I see it. But two women talking about something they are passionate about seems to give the illusion that they struggle with interpersonal communications and people love it 🍿We get labeled as as emotional but only because men don't count anger as emotion. I am sensitive to it, that is a result of my experiences of being hated because of the way I look or for being seen as competition. You know that crap starts in elementary school. Bullying. And if I ran into another lady keeper I would feel a sense of comradary because we are far and few between. Because I don't know about you but I've been playing in the dirt and with bugs since I was a little kid and paid my dues being forced to wear dresses (trust me there is no competition if you hate to play with humans like me, have them, I don't want them lol) and I will always build the people up that care about the things I care about. You know who wins? The things we care about.

I guess if I had a friendly request it would be for you to consider, to be considerate, you didn't have to make fun of her or even make the post, but if you do feel the need, be 100% accurate or you look silly too. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone. Otherwise it's an ironic soapbox where someone is hated for no good reason. Please don't encourage people to handle their tarantulas, it only puts the tarantulas at risk and potentially humans too, especially if they have some medical risk. Something doesn't have to be medically significant to still pose a risk to affected population. But if you start advocating that people handled their old worlds, I love watching people learn from their mistakes 🤣
 

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Things I have learned since I've kept tarantulas:

1. Archnophiles are a very small community. Just because there are a ton of morons on YouTube handling everything from H. maculata to P. metallica doesn't mean T keepers are a large community.

2. No....people do not want to know about your tarantulas. Majority of people instantly form an opinion on you when you joyfully share all kinds of info about them while trying to look interested while you talk.

3. Do not share your love of tarantulas at your place of employment. This applies to where co-workers, managers or whoever have no interest in them. Sharing anything exposes you to them which can have dire consequences.

4. Family and friends can have a heavier impact on you if no one shares your views on arachnids. Talk all you want but some people will never change their view. Instead of trying to get them to accept arachnids one must accept some people will never change their view.

5. When encountering someone who lacks basic knowledge with a recently acquired tarantula or has had it for a while navigate them, (in a friendly matter) to this thread on AB instead of coming off as a narcissist:


If we get frustrated due to the person being defensive when trying to correct someone leading to coming off as angry then what positivity are we actually promoting for the hobby as a whole?

If someone is defensive, (natural human reaction) then it is easier being as friendly and accepting as we can to bring them into the responsible keeper's wings.

This is not directed at any one person here. These are some of the instances I experienced. I have fine tuned myself when encountering someone with next to no knowledge out in the world.
 
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I can't find the other responses, maybe they got consolidated into this one comment.

I believe she is the perfect keeper because she has had the spider for a year, kept it alive and doesn't handle it.

I only googled ingredients in tarantula venom and bee venom. In exactly 2 searches you will find the same words. I told you I didn't know what they meant. It would be enough for me not to want to say it's safe or fine. It's just the bare minimum due diligence I did before I opened my mouth/started typing to see if they had anything in common. But if you explain your logic too maybe we can clear that up.

It doesn't matter what big word you expose the human body to, the body can react to it. People can experience an allergic reaction to whatever body says it can, and to the extent it wishes, and maybe differently as it sees fit. And unless we know exactly which ingredient that the lady at the grocery store is allergic to in bee venom, then we can only look at the entire ingredient list. Is that fair? And let's say she did not have a history of anaphylaxis. Whew. That would be a huge red flag warning. If she has a epi pen then I'm not the smartest person to worry about it. Another red flag. I'd probably tell her to ask her doctor first. It's waaay above my pay grade. But thankfully I would never be talking someone into holding their tarantula at the potential detriment of both of them, or telling anyone that anything is safe. I don't even recommend OTC treatments off or on the clock. It's not in my protocols so the law won't protect me. Not even Tylenol. Because it's not in my drug box. Unsolicited advice that I know a teeny bit about scientifically...At the bare minimum id be afraid of someone googling and finding me wrong. But just basic allergies.... We ask every patient what they are allergic to and what happens when they are exposed. WHY? It matters! Not asking is negligent.

The truth is we could spend hours of research determining things like if venom a digestive enzyme or a paralytic agent, we would need to research all the ingredients, and then research the human body as well as the immunological responses each human *could* have, what repeated exposure does as well, and then run the numbers against a new allergen being exposed for the first time. You can't forget that no matter what research we all do or what has been done already, we still can't research enough to predict what is going to happen to an individual when exposed to allergens. But sorry for lack of better words no smart person could say it's not possible.

I will speak more to you saying there is no way there could be the same reaction but I'll be honest there is a ton of room to misinterpet so please forgive me if I'm way off. You mention potency, not as strong right? If it's not the same ingredients in bee venom, would potency matter? I might have scrolled over something mentioning bee venom is more potent. I just didn't open to see if it means it's the same ingredients just more, or the "effect" was more potent. And what is the effect of venom? Google says it's a paralytic agent. I recall from bio that the first step in human digestion is salivation. It's the saliva then mastication that starts to break up the food. We have thumbs and a brain instead of venom to immobilize. Maybe I'm wrong with the analogy.

Unless you meant same reaction like same allergic reaction. Hives, swelling, itching...well that's mild.... difficulty breathing, wheezing? Mild or not, you surely aren't saying someone can't experience those things if exposed to tarantula venom...or even setae... Or any other agent the body recognizes as foreign and triggers an immunological response. You learn this in bio, again in A&P, and then our vocational training in the medical emergencies section. But we have that extra training that should give us pause before we put a safety label on anything, plus a whole chapter on medicolegal. You say you are an EMT so that now makes you an expert witness if you use it to qualify yourself. That's the trust the public puts in you too when you announce your credentials.

Just one dumb anecdote but when I get bit by one ant, it makes the inside of my ears itch as well as my throat, so bad I'm practically swallowing chips whole. Ants. There was this one time as a kid I got bit by hundreds at once but I don't know if that has anything to do with it, it was so long ago. I just know what happens now. Within a minute or so. When I get stung by a bee, after about 24 hours it turns into a red golf ball sized hot lump, that lasts and itches like crazy for two weeks. I have no qualms about picking up a hurt or drowning bee because they are arguably the most important creature on this planet because I am an idiot but I also have no reason to believe a bee sting will mess me up like that. It's not a factor in why I don't hold my tarantulas. The only reason I do is if life saving interventions are required, and shoot, I expect to get bit and only focus on not reacting to the bite, so I don't do any more harm. Same reason I waited to get old worlds. I wasn't ready to not react to a spicier bite 🤣 But I avoid ants because Ive got enough to go off of.

I'm sorry for the long reply, I started this a few hours ago and I'm having to write with many disruptions at work so I'm sorry if I'm all over the place. I was not put off by your rebuttal(s) I just had a very busy day yesterday. I will always advocate for the animal. I am just as guilty as keeping them in captivity but I can only justify for one reason...it's that I can keep them safe from HUMANS. Otherwise I am just keeping them for selfish reasons, where they are unhappy and not living their best wild life.

One thing that I find unfair is your delivery about this woman, you came to the internet and said bad things about her and then people laughed. And someone even commented about her coming here. Because she's not holding her spider that she's kept alive a year. Well that would be classy of her if she doesn't to repay the libel. But the internet is forever, and is a character attestation in lieu of everything other way you could portray yourself. If you didn't "face palm" to her face then is this not just middle school bullying? I am trying to empathize with this woman but also point out that she may have not spread her misinformation on the internet as facts, and even further, didn't trash on anyone that didnt know better or disagrees. I would believe everything you said as long as I cant poke one hole in it and try to invalidate your position and credibility. Like venom digesting versus venom still being there. Did she face palm too? And get a confab to make fun of you? Is she just misinformed too? That is what I find ironic, the delivery (what you wrote and the tone you intended) and the person delivering sounding misinformed and advocating the thing we don't advocate here ...holding, and everyone hopping on the bullying bandwagon.

But that's just my way of thinking and calculating and confirming my sources. That's also a really good way of accepting future advice and how I vet the people I seek knowledge from. They're here. And anyone that disagrees with those people just doesn't know the facts yet, is too ignorant to comprehend or just has the attitude of not caring because their way is the right way. That's just me being extra though. I am so confused to see people here making fun of someone for being afraid to handle their tarantula. And to not tell you that the digestion starts in the mouth, not the fangs which really just hold the prey but can deliver venom, a biologically scarce defense mechanism. Otherwise fangless Ts could not survive off cricket soup?

If you read this far I am sorry 🤣 for the length, i am trying to sound nice on the internet when few words do trick but would definitely come across as mean. And I can't control how you receive it but I hope the amount of time I spent writing it does convey a genuine desire to be nice. Because I come from a world where women only serve to bring each other down and I strive to be different and will always call that out when I see it. But two women talking about something they are passionate about seems to give the illusion that they struggle with interpersonal communications and people love it 🍿We get labeled as as emotional but only because men don't count anger as emotion. I am sensitive to it, that is a result of my experiences of being hated because of the way I look or for being seen as competition. You know that crap starts in elementary school. Bullying. And if I ran into another lady keeper I would feel a sense of comradary because we are far and few between. Because I don't know about you but I've been playing in the dirt and with bugs since I was a little kid and paid my dues being forced to wear dresses (trust me there is no competition if you hate to play with humans like me, have them, I don't want them lol) and I will always build the people up that care about the things I care about. You know who wins? The things we care about.

I guess if I had a friendly request it would be for you to consider, to be considerate, you didn't have to make fun of her or even make the post, but if you do feel the need, be 100% accurate or you look silly too. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone. Otherwise it's an ironic soapbox where someone is hated for no good reason. Please don't encourage people to handle their tarantulas, it only puts the tarantulas at risk and potentially humans too, especially if they have some medical risk. Something doesn't have to be medically significant to still pose a risk to affected population. But if you start advocating that people handled their old worlds, I love watching people learn from their mistakes 🤣
What an eloquently diplomatic clarification of your position.
 

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I'm new to all this and am just barely starting to figure out how this community works, but my interpretation of the original post is that it served to allow someone to vent some frustration that we've all (even newbie me) encountered in this hobby: people who get into it clearly without doing any research whatsoever about the living thing they've taken responsibility for.

I know not everyone knows how to use search functions well. I know that people who don't know what they're doing often turn to bad sources of information and can't discern the difference between credible sources and not-credible sources. I know that this hobby is especially difficult to navigate because it's kind of underground and doesn't have a lot of formal authorities to turn to, so you're really at the mercy of your own bullcrap detectors when you wade into the world of arachnid YouTube or websites. I get why people turn to the forum and to social media pages to ask questions that seem obvious to those who have done research.

I also get that the hobby is full of nuances that aren't clearly answered by the sources that do exist. For instance, one of my biggest stressors at the outset was what to do about feeders when you have only one or two tarantulas. I could find tons and tons of information on feeding, how much, and what types, but I couldn't find clear answers to questions like, can I just buy two crickets at a time instead of keeping a colony for two tarantulas that are only going to eat a few a month? Or, what the hell do I do with an uneaten insect that's still alive? Those are the kinds of things you don't really wrap your head around until you just start doing it, and I can empathize with people's instinct to just jump on a forum or Facebook page to ask instead of trying to wade through a bunch of info online that's kind of related to your question but might not really answer it.

So, yeah, this forum does need to be a safe and supportive space to ask questions. But, I also get the frustration that leads to some snark, and I see support coming in the form of letting people vent about some of the misinformation or bewildering lack of knowledge they encounter out there too. Thinking a whole year into keeping a tarantula that tarantulas lose venom over time or something is a huge red flag that someone really has not made any meaningful attempt to learn about their animal. I don't know that particular woman's context, and if the worst that happens is that she doesn't ever hold her tarantula, that's great, but generally speaking, that kind of disinterest, lack of curiosity, or inability to conceptualize any of the questions you should be asking about your animal is the kind of disposition that we can pretty clearly associate with people who make really bad decisions that would have been entirely preventable with just a little bit more care taken, like flipping over a molting spider, or spraying bleach on the walls of the enclosure to get poop off the glass, or falling asleep on the couch with a tarantula on their chest, or impulsively digging out a burrow because they haven't seen their pet in a while. I've barely been doing this for two months, and even I've already seen or heard about all of these things happening, and I've seen lots of posts by lots of people who have had their tarantulas for months and don't even seem to know that molting is a thing. It's truly baffling, and I can only imagine how some of the old timers feel having seen this play out for as long as they have been and who have seen tarantulas die or become injured because someone didn't do the minimum when they took on the responsibility of keeping one.
 
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I'm new to all this and am just barely starting to figure out how this community works, but my interpretation of the original post is that it served to allow someone to vent some frustration that we've all (even newbie me) encountered in this hobby: people who get into it clearly without doing any research whatsoever about the living thing they've taken responsibility for.

I know not everyone knows how to use search functions well. I know that people who don't know what they're doing often turn to bad sources of information and can't discern the difference between credible sources and not-credible sources. I know that this hobby is especially difficult to navigate because it's kind of underground and doesn't have a lot of formal authorities to turn to, so you're really at the mercy of your own bullcrap detectors when you wade into the world of arachnid YouTube or websites. I get why people turn to the forum and to social media pages to ask questions that seem obvious to those who have done research.

I also get that the hobby is full of nuances that aren't clearly answered by the sources that do exist. For instance, one of my biggest stressors at the outset was what to do about feeders when you have only one or two tarantulas. I could find tons and tons of information on feeding, how much, and what types, but I couldn't find clear answers to questions like, can I just buy two crickets at a time instead of keeping a colony for two tarantulas that are only going to eat a few a month? Or, what the hell do I do with an uneaten insect that's still alive? Those are the kinds of things you don't really wrap your head around until you just start doing it, and I can empathize with people's instinct to just jump on a forum or Facebook page to ask instead of trying to wade through a bunch of info online that's kind of related to your question but might not really answer it.

So, yeah, this forum does need to be a safe and supportive space to ask questions. But, I also get the frustration that leads to some snark, and I see support coming in the form of letting people vent about some of the misinformation or bewildering lack of knowledge they encounter out there too. Thinking a whole year into keeping a tarantula that tarantulas lose venom over time or something is a huge red flag that someone really has not made any meaningful attempt to learn about their animal. I don't know that particular woman's context, and if the worst that happens is that she doesn't ever hold her tarantula, that's great, but generally speaking, that kind of disinterest, lack of curiosity, or inability to conceptualize any of the questions you should be asking about your animal is the kind of disposition that we can pretty clearly associate with people who make really bad decisions that would have been entirely preventable with just a little bit more care taken, like flipping over a molting spider, or spraying bleach on the walls of the enclosure to get poop off the glass, or falling asleep on the couch with a tarantula on their chest, or impulsively digging out a burrow because they haven't seen their pet in a while. I've barely been doing this for two months, and even I've already seen or heard about all of these things happening, and I've seen lots of posts by lots of people who have had their tarantulas for months and don't even seem to know that molting is a thing. It's truly baffling, and I can only imagine how some of the old timers feel having seen this play out for as long as they have been and who have seen tarantulas die or become injured because someone didn't do the minimum when they took on the responsibility of keeping one.
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So this grocery store lady was misinformed. The bottom line is, she didn't want to handle her T. Isn't that what we're all preaching anyway? It's all good. The universe is at peace.
 

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So this grocery store lady was misinformed. The bottom line is, she didn't want to handle her T. Isn't that what we're all preaching anyway? It's all good. The universe is at peace.
Aaahhhh why are so many of you just focusing ok the handling part??? So frustrating!! NO....the bottom line is that this woman is under the impression that her tarantula will lose its venom at some point or very well be under the impression that she can get her t defanged so that it will no longer be venemous. This woman is being sold incorrect information and when I tried to educate her on tarantula venom she was very dismissive. Did any of you even see the part where I mentioned to her that spiders are meant as display pets anyway??? Never once did I encourage her to handle her t. I was focused on the fact that she was 1. Comparing tarantula venom to that of a bee's venom which are two completely different things and 2. She's waiting for her t to stop being venemous. The very last thing I said to her after she informed me she knows nothing about the animal is that she should probably so some research on it. Ugh! So frustrating lol
 

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...I thought the handling bit was a typing error, LoL...like when you're typing slower than you're thinking about it...
 

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Re. the venom thing:

Probably confused venom for poison. Some commonly kept poisonous critters loose their poison if they are fed a different diet for long enough. Things like dart frogs and pufferfish.
 

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Me: "I'm under the impression that the Peter principal applies throughout the entirety of physiology, as can he readily seen in immune system responses."
Doc Jeff: "You mean the random element that differs from person to person inclusive of their ability to learn and understand. In all my years of practicing medicine I know of nothing that can directly refute that premise. Take something as simple as the immune system. No two people will have the same exact response, from onset to recovery. only reasonably predictable similarities."
Doc Jeff, preeminent cerebro-pathologist, 49 years in practice, over 40 in his chosen field.
 
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