How to prevent eresus matriphagy?

[invertebrateguy]

So i am getting a mature female eresus blue and i have not found any information how to prevent the slings from eating their mother in eresus.

So does anyone know any information on how to prevent the slings from eating their mother in eresus sp blue sidi infi?

 

[wizentrop]

There is no way to prevent it. The mothers are programmed to die after the babies hatch, and on the other end the babies need this meal in order to survive. You can't go against nature in this case.

 

[Ultum4Spiderz]

So i am getting a mature female eresus blue and i have not found any information how to prevent the slings from eating their mother in eresus.

So does anyone know any information on how to prevent the slings from eating their mother in eresus sp blue sidi infi?

probably not.
Swore someone just asked this , and here.

how to prevent Matriphagy?

So I have 2 adult female black lace weavers and one subadult male. I am planning to breed them but I don't want the whole eat the mother alive thing to happen so does anyone know how to prevent matriphagy in black lace weavers?

arachnoboards.com

 

[invertebrateguy]

probably not.
Swore someone just asked this , and here.

how to prevent Matriphagy?

So I have 2 adult female black lace weavers and one subadult male. I am planning to breed them but I don't want the whole eat the mother alive thing to happen so does anyone know how to prevent matriphagy in black lace weavers?

arachnoboards.com

yes i am the same person that made that thread but the reason why i made a new one is because they both practice matriphagy but in different ways

 

[Wolfram1]

i just don't get why you would even want to prevent a natural occurance such as this

isn't the assured future of her offspring more important than the fleeting life the mother spider has left?

if i were you i would attempt to observe this fascinating process instead, see it as a natural succession

 

[invertebrateguy]

i just don't get why you would even want to prevent a natural occurance such as this

isn't the assured future of her offspring more important than the fleeting life the mother spider has left?

if i were you i would attempt to observe this fascinating process instead, see it as a natural succession

The reason why is i dont want to lose my pet

 

[invertebrateguy]

There is no way to prevent it. The mothers are programmed to die after the babies hatch, and on the other end the babies need this meal in order to survive. You can't go against nature in this case.

Are there any eresus velvet spiders that dont eat their mother?

 

[SpookySpooder]

The reason why is i dont want to lose my pet

Then don't breed it

 

[Scourge]

Andre Leetz did some experimentation on this before. He did present a talk about it at the BTS lectures weekend - but not sure if it's published online anywhere?

 

[Suavis]

Are there any eresus velvet spiders that dont eat their mother?

Yes, I do know that certain species do not practice matriphagy. From what I understand only Stegodyphus lineatus does it, as they are within the Eresus family.

 

[invertebrateguy]

Yes, I do know that certain species do not practice matriphagy. From what I understand only Stegodyphus lineatus does it, as they are within the Eresus family.

I know every species in gandameno doesn't practice matriphagy but their super rare in the hobby. Im pretty sure dresserus doesnt practice matriphagy to

 

[Tbone192]

It does appear that many of the species within eresidae exhibit matriphagy. Unfortunately there is no way to prevent this as the mother liquifies and excretes her innards in response to her eggs hatching. Gruesome but it is essential in the development of her young. It may seem cruel and unusual to us mammals but to them it is a beautiful exchange of life. Sacrificing her life to ensure that her young can live their lives. They produce many offspring and grow fairly quickly though so don't worry too much.

 

[invertebrateguy]

It does appear that many of the species within eresidae exhibit matriphagy. Unfortunately there is no way to prevent this as the mother liquifies and excretes her innards in response to her eggs hatching. Gruesome but it is essential in the development of her young. It may seem cruel and unusual to us mammals but to them it is a beautiful exchange of life. Sacrificing her life to ensure that her young can live their lives. They produce many offspring and grow fairly quickly though so don't worry too much.

Are there any eresus species that dont practice matriphagy? Also i heard that if you put in food that they will eat that instead of the mother

 

[wizentrop]

Are there any eresus species that dont practice matriphagy? Also i heard that if you put in food that they will eat that instead of the mother

Specifically for Eresus??? I'm afraid you've heard incorrectly. Even if you separate the mother and slings she will still die shortly after, as @Tbone192 explained.

 

[invertebrateguy]

Specifically for Eresus??? I'm afraid you've heard incorrectly. Even if you separate the mother and slings she will still die shortly after, as @Tbone192 explained.

Oh i saw a video saying that if you put a cut up dubia roach they will eat that instead of their mother. Also do you know of any eresus velvet spider species that dont practice matriphagy?

 

[Tbone192]

I've been searching for articles in support of non-matriphagal species within Eresus. After a lot of reading I have yet to find a publication in which an Eresus is mentioned as not practicing matriphagy. This does not mean that they don't exist, just that there is not a whole lot of information to confirm whether or not such a species within the genus exists. Most of the articles suggest that matriphagy is very common within the genus and may be a basal trait to the group. This means in order for an Eresus sp to not practice matriphagy it would have to evolve an alternative form of care, or lack thereof. They evolved matriphagy to care for their young, if they revert to a different, potentially basal, form of care then they become a potentially less successful and viable species. That being said, it could exist but if this is the case it is extremely rare.

 

[invertebrateguy]

I've been searching for articles in support of non-matriphagal species within Eresus. After a lot of reading I have yet to find a publication in which an Eresus is mentioned as not practicing matriphagy. This does not mean that they don't exist, just that there is not a whole lot of information to confirm whether or not such a species within the genus exists. Most of the articles suggest that matriphagy is very common within the genus and may be a basal trait to the group. This means in order for an Eresus sp to not practice matriphagy it would have to evolve an alternative form of care, or lack thereof. They evolved matriphagy to care for their young, if they revert to a different, potentially basal, form of care then they become a potentially less successful and viable species. That being said, it could exist but if this is the case it is extremely rare.

It may be that that all eresus species practice matriphagy. Also, do you know any species that could potentially not practice matriphagy, maybe one from another place that could’ve evolved differently?