hides and slings.

P. Novak

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Shame on you guys for not having a water dish LOL. According to Tmac's many years experience you need to provide a swimming pool hahaha

Aw crap. I better get to installing the pools then.
 

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I'm teaching mine to type now. They are doing fine but I need to watch them really close because they try to slip in a cuss word on these forums when I'm not looking :D
 

P. Novak

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I'm teaching mine to type now. They are doing fine but I need to watch them really close because they try to slip in a cuss word on these forums when I'm not looking :D
Ha ya, its always the Pterinochilus spp. that seem to think they could get away with it, and those Grammos, gosh do they type slowwwww.
 

Brian S

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This one is a great typer but man she sure has a potty mouth. She is always trying to sneak in a cuss word when replying to posts here :rolleyes: So if you see any profanity in my posts, you know where it came from
 

P. Novak

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Ha, yup, I catch mine doing this all the time, a little too much I must say. :embarrassed:
 

jamesc

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Well, back on topic here. Some people provide hides and some give their tarantula a computer. You just have to decide what works best in your situation.
 

P. Novak

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Oh geez!!! You have one that likes to watch porn too :rolleyes:
Ha whew, He told me how worried he was that he was the only one to do such a thing, I told him there were others but he didn't believe me. He's gonna be so relieved once he reads your post. {D
 

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None of my slings get water dishes. I mist/droplet and it is just swell. Some of my adults don't get water dishes, either... I mist/droplet instead. Some do not have given hides... I may put in a twig or a small rock and let them do the rest... but I also keep them in a dark and quiet setting and I suspect that they use the whole habitat as a hide (compare to snake breeding racks where the whole thing is a hide and therefore added hides are not necessary). Some of my slings in jars get a hotwheels car inside in substrate, non moving) that they web or live under/inside of. Yes, this is a hide, but it is mostly for my sake... like nearly ALL of my cage decorations/modifications, etc.

I think that a tarantula can be kept humanely in a deli cup into adulthood and can also do just great in a 10 gallon tank on display - as long as enough substrate is offered and the conditions are appropriate (right humidity, food offered, etc). I do not look down on the minimalistic keepers that keep it simple, the nature recreators that keep it real, or the displayers that keep it cool. I fall somewhere on that list at any point depending on what I have and my time/interest. Some of my tanks are elaborate and on display, others are minimalistic and kept in the dark. It is really hard to do this wrong if the basic interest of the spider is kept in mind.

I do not think that brian is being cruel, and I also do not think that there is anything wrong with going all out for your pet spider (hey, I am sure some of you have seen pictures of some of my tanks... like the one where I used doll house furniture and my tarantula DID have his own computer!). Your balls must be pretty big if you think it is cool to make assumptions and judgments on someone when they are just trying to share their experiences. It takes more than a small water dish to constitute "spider abuse" (like the crazy tweaker that brought me her G. Rosea... she was petting and cuddling this poor hairless leg-missing spider and was trying to convince me that she had the spider trained to do tricks. That poor buggy nearly died of stress... She would have LOOOOVED to have a deli cup and a bottle cap and be left the hell alone).
 

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I think that most people in the hobby like to simulate the T's natural habitat as much as possible, which is a very good thing for adults, and juvies. However, even though it may bother you to not have a hide for your slings, because it would be less natural, maybe you should take into consideration that slings have an incredibly high mortality rate in the wild. So I think in this case, because slings are so fragile, and because I think we all want to see them reach adulthood, leaving out potential dangers is the best way to go.
You can make hides pretty safe. Still a risk, you say? Well, to me, that's like arguing that you can't give a t an enclosure more than 4 times its legspan wide because then 'it won't find its food and will starve to death', i.e pishposh. And I don't think falling things are wild slings' greatest source of headaches. But yes, as long as the spiders appear to live, and live Ok, then to each their own.

In regards to dishes for slings- I don't, but when I tried, some liked to poo in theirs. Instinct?
 
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Um? Why dismiss it as pishposh? Some tarantulas don't do as well in large spaces as the do in smaller habitats IN CAPTIVITY. I have several in 10gals just fine, but saying pishposh to the whole thing is really unreasonable.

Instinct? Coincidence? Hard to know when observing such a small group with no control group or other reasonings behind it all.
 

Vys

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Um? Why dismiss it as pishposh? Some tarantulas don't do as well in large spaces as the do in smaller habitats IN CAPTIVITY. I have several in 10gals just fine, but saying pishposh to the whole thing is really unreasonable.
Of course smaller habitats in 'captivity', as they would have an endless amount of space otherwise.
But do tell, why don't they do well? Any other reason than the food thing?

Instinct? Coincidence? Hard to know when observing such a small group with no control group or other reasonings behind it all.
Indeed :) But trying to make sense of the things the t's do is one of the fun things of keeping them, even if it's just empty speculation. Gods know they don't do much.
 
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I guess you havent raised very many slings in your time?:rolleyes: Especially to go along with someone thats been doing this for a whole 3 months!! I have raised hundreds like that and I know many more that have done the same thing
Well, some slings. Not as many as you probably. But that does not change the fact that a hide, selfmade or put there by the keeper, is prefered by the majority of the slings I've dealt with. My opinion is that it will cause a level of stress for a spider to instictivly want to hide, but be unable to. We can only guess what the spider would want to have, or not to have in it's enclosure, so I'll have to go with what their instinct show me. And I also know how fast you loose your "empathic" thinking and just going with "it works, therefor it's fine". I'm trying to avoid that.

"They are in the dark anyway" doesn't work for me as I open my sling/juvi cabinet quite often when there's light in the room (in fact, everytime as I don't have nightvision ;) ), and judging by their reaction to that, a hide is still prefered.

You know, experience is not knowledge, only what you think is knowledge. Besides, take a look at science through the ages, and how wrong we have been about pretty much everything so far, and how many people we have killed for having another opinion.
 

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i have 7 g. rosea slings, one burrows everywhere. one which is in a small kk moves all the dirt in her cage around all the time. every time you look in its totally different. another has a rock in the center of its cage and never moves a thing. it spends 90% of its time on the rock. i turn on a light and it moves to the back of the rock. and another webs everything in the cage.
so, in my oppinion. i think its hard to say what is perfect for t's in genaral. i also have one sling in a ten gallon tank. which according to many people is a big no no. she's been in there for 6 weeks and is doing fine. ive timed her with every feeding and so far the longest its taken her to find her food is less than 4 minutes. and i always drop it in the other end of the tank. on the same note i have an obt that was in a ten gallon. refused to eat and was doing very bad till i moved him to a large kk. now hes doing great.
its all to some extent a matter of personal preference. if we were able to provide cages that were perfect and our t's were totally content we wouldnt need lids to keep them in there tanks. but then they would all be on the computer looking at porn all the time.
 

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You know, experience is not knowledge, only what you think is knowledge. Besides, take a look at science through the ages, and how wrong we have been about pretty much everything so far, and how many people we have killed for having another opinion.
Knowledge is no replacement for experience. There are thousands of books on raising children, and as I'm sure just about any parent can tell you, none of them prepare you for your first child. When companies want to hire someone for an important job, do they just want someone fresh out of college? Or do they want someone with years of experience in the field. And I won't get started on how 'wrong' we have been about 'everything' so far in science.

I wrapped half his jar in dark construction paper so I can peek in from time to time. Lucky for me he made the burrow right up against the covered side. I have found if I leave the paper open too long he webs up the jar so you can't see in.
That's an awesome idea, I'm going to have to try that :worship: (sorry, I'm a newb)
 

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Knowledge is no replacement for experience. There are thousands of books on raising children, and as I'm sure just about any parent can tell you, none of them prepare you for your first child. When companies want to hire someone for an important job, do they just want someone fresh out of college? Or do they want someone with years of experience in the field. And I won't get started on how 'wrong' we have been about 'everything' so far in science.
Way to overread :rolleyes:
 

Vys

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i have 7 g. rosea slings, one burrows everywhere. one which is in a small kk moves all the dirt in her cage around all the time. every time you look in its totally different. another has a rock in the center of its cage and never moves a thing. it spends 90% of its time on the rock. i turn on a light and it moves to the back of the rock. and another webs everything in the cage.
so, in my oppinion. i think its hard to say what is perfect for t's in genaral. i also have one sling in a ten gallon tank. which according to many people is a big no no. she's been in there for 6 weeks and is doing fine. ive timed her with every feeding and so far the longest its taken her to find her food is less than 4 minutes. and i always drop it in the other end of the tank. on the same note i have an obt that was in a ten gallon. refused to eat and was doing very bad till i moved him to a large kk. now hes doing great.
its all to some extent a matter of personal preference. if we were able to provide cages that were perfect and our t's were totally content we wouldnt need lids to keep them in there tanks. but then they would all be on the computer looking at porn all the time.
Wise words.
 

Brian S

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You know, experience is not knowledge, only what you think is knowledge. Besides, take a look at science through the ages, and how wrong we have been about pretty much everything so far, and how many people we have killed for having another opinion.
If experience is not knowledge then what the hell is it??:? I was only trying to offer what I can guarantee will work but you and the "Expert" started all this trash talk. The "expert" has been keeping Ts since February of 2007 and all of a sudden he knows more than some of us thats been doing it for many years?:? Dude, Dont get me wrong as I am not an expert nor have I ever claimed to be but I can guarantee what I am doing works very well as I have raised many spiderlings to adulthood that way with no deaths (knock on wood)
 
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