i was acctualy mapping Isometrus maculatus, but it ended to be on every ecosystem where it cohabitates w/ Homo sapiensNice one Kahoy!
now map the rest of the islands!
I'd take his word for it, considering he lives there. Also the island he says theyre on is really close to the malaysian mainland, so its not that far of a stretch to imagine they could live there.all the scientific documents that i've read list only three species of Heterometrus for the philippines, namely: H. longimanus, H. cyaneus and H. petersii. do you have any documents to prove that H. spinifer does indeed exist in the philippines? i'm just very curious. thanks.
That isn't the way that science works. When making a claim you need to provide evidence so that the validity of your claim can be judged. The more extrodinary the claim, the more extrodinary the evidence that is required. In this case, the evidence required should be pretty easy to put forth and the situation can be resolved. If this does indeed represent an extended range of a known species then the argument should be published in a peer reviewed journal so that it can add to the base of knowledge for all.I'd take his word for it, considering he lives there.
Exactly. The map constitutes a potentially fantastic bit of scientific bookkeeping. With very little funding for professional scorpionology to go on, there is a very important role for amateurs in this field. Hell, I gave a lecture to that effect at Arachnocon '05 where I argued that amateurs can make great strides at arachnology. That being said, being an amateur does not excuse you from the burden of proof that is placed on professionals.I understand that Dave, but this is a forum on the internet, not a peer-reviewed journal,
No, you said "I'd believe him." "I'd" is an abbreviation for "I would." Perhaps I read it wrong, but it sounded dismissive of sauroid's question. As a side note, location should have little to do with it. Who would you trust more for a definitive identification of a shelf fungus in Hagserville, Ontario -- me because I live within a short drive of there or a mycologist from another area? At this point your acceptance of the map as drawn is a matter of faith. You may have good reason to have faith in kahoy's judgement, but you cannot honestly believe that this faith should extend to everyone else. Whether this map is correct or not should not be determined by a vote, but rather by the presented evidence.and in this instance i said I believed him
Not at all. It is quite plausible -- but plausibility does not make it so. I think the map is a brilliant undertaking but unless it can stand up to a simple question like sauroid's, then it is useless. I, personally, am looking forward to a response from kahoy.It's not like he's making some outlandish claim,
This is also my understanding.As far as I know there are no "official/peer-reviewed" reports of spinifers in the Philippines.
As am I. I am even more glad that sauroid thought enough to question it (albeit asking for documents, which is the wrong type of evidence in this case).Either way its a cool map and im glad kahoy posted it
I'd more likely trust an experienced amateur mycologist from the area than some bookworm living half way around the world.Who would you trust more for a definitive identification of a shelf fungus in Hagserville, Ontario -- me because I live within a short drive of there or a mycologist from another area?
If the bookworm has access to material and the amateur is not presenting any case, then that is the wrong decision. Taxonomy happens under a microscope, not in the field.I'd more likely trust an experienced amateur mycologist from the area than some bookworm living half way around the world.
Well, right now the ID is based on some granulation. This is fine if you are labeling things for the pet trade or IDing specimens within a known range for no particularly scientific purpose. If he wants to extend the known range of H.spinifer, however, he is going to need to compare them to the entire species description (at a minimum, still weak) or better yet compare them to some type material. The locality has also now been called into question. It sounds like you are more confident in his map than he is -- so kudos to him for maintaining a scientific mindset.I trust his ability to ID Heterometrus ssp.
And this is the root of the problem. You see this whole thing as somehow adversarial. It is not -- no more than a doctoral defense is adversarial. If you want to involve yourself in a faith-based system then go with religion or sports. In those cases you will be rewarded for taking sides and punished for skepticism. Science depends on skepticism and peer review to keep moving forwards. If you have the time, track down a copy of "The Art of Scientific Investigation" by Beveridge. Very good read and a book I highly recommend to the layman interested in dabbling in science (as well as to the true academics).And it's people like kahoy who I side with in cases such as these.
Had to defend all my buddies in the Philippines