Help Sexing Budgies

The Snark

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Purple cere (nostril band)=male. Bright pink cere and feet=female. Gray=immature or very elderly or improper diet.

Budgie 101. Get somebody that knows them to show you a cage full and points out the traits. With lots of comparisons you become a budgie expert in about 5 minutes.
 
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Purple cere (nostril band)=male. Bright pink cere and feet=female. Gray=immature or very elderly or improper diet.

Budgie 101. Get somebody that knows them to show you a cage full and points out the traits. With lots of comparisons you become a budgie expert in about 5 minutes.
Okay, thanks!
 

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While I initially thought both were male based on The Snark's post, after looking through some online resources the differences are not as clear as I was expecting.

Both your birds have a purple/blue hue to their cere. One is very pale, and the other more vibrant.
 
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Purple cere (nostril band)=male. Bright pink cere and feet=female. Gray=immature or very elderly or improper diet.

Budgie 101. Get somebody that knows them to show you a cage full and points out the traits. With lots of comparisons you become a budgie expert in about 5 minutes.
So would you say that the green one is a male and the blue one is a female?
 

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With the written permission of the bird you can take a moist cotton swab to the ceres or feet to better see the color. MOIST, not damp drippy.
Another way is to observe the birds over several days. Males will act like eyebrow licking college jocks, bobbing and ducking and ..... Females act coy.
 

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With the written permission of the bird you can take a moist cotton swab to the ceres or feet to better see the color. MOIST, not damp drippy.
Another way is to observe the birds over several days. Males will act like eyebrow licking college jocks, bobbing and ducking and ..... Females act coy.
They do both groom and feed each other (regurgitate). I know this is common behavior for budgies kept with other budgies, but could this be a way of determining their genders?
 

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Males flirt, females always act a little more reserved. But you need to be familiar with the particular species in order to recognize it. Budgies are always ultra social which can make it difficult to detect.
 

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Males flirt, females always act a little more reserved. But you need to be familiar with the particular species in order to recognize it. Budgies are always ultra social which can make it difficult to detect.

Right but like you said there are distinctive characteristics of both sexes in Melopsittacus undulatus (Budgerigar) that differentiate them.

@Hercules Hernandez As a long term Budgie owner myself I can tell you that, regardless of what colors you can or cannot distinguish on the ceres, the behavior will likely reveal the sexes soon enough. Females tend to be noticeably more reserved and coy, whether housed individually or with others. They also tend to be a bit more pushy towards the males (and each other, sometimes a bit too much).

Males, by contrast, basically "flirt" with everything they can, whether it is alive or inanimate. They "bob their heads" all over the place like @The Snark said. It's actually pretty funny to watch.

My male will bob his head and make little "pip pip pip" noises as he inches ever so slightly closer to the female he lives with, until after a several minute endeavor he gets 1 millimeter too close and she whacks at him and he lets out one squawk and ends up on the perch below.

Most humorous, to say the least.

I'm also jealous that yours are already hand tamed. I had one years ago that was hand tamed but not lately. Just haven't had the time to dedicate to it anymore.

Some day I will though. And I'll probably have more too (conures, etc.). I am a bird person for sure.

I have been a bird owner longer than an invertebrate owner, in fact.

 
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It's actually a little weird. Once you have been around budgies for a few days they suddenly transform in your mind. A whole bunch of birds becomes obvious males and females and they all have slightly different personality traits. Immatures usually continue to be a guessing game.
 

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Right but like you said there are distinctive characteristics of both sexes in Melopsittacus undulatus (Budgerigar) that differentiate them.

@Hercules Hernandez As a long term Budgie owner myself I can tell you that, regardless of what colors you can or cannot distinguish on the ceres, the behavior will likely reveal the sexes soon enough. Females tend to be noticeably more reserved and coy, whether housed individually or with others. They also tend to be a bit more pushy towards the males (and each other, sometimes a bit too much).

Males, by contrast, basically "flirt" with everything they can, whether it is alive or inanimate. They "bob their heads" all over the place like @The Snark said. It's actually pretty funny to watch.

My male will bob his head and make little "pip pip pip" noises as he inches ever so slightly closer to the female he lives with, until after a several minute endeavor he gets 1 millimeter too close and she whacks at him and he lets out one squawk and ends up on the perch below.

Most humorous, to say the least.

I'm also jealous that yours are already hand tamed. I had one years ago that was hand tamed but not lately. Just haven't had the time to dedicate to it anymore.

Some day I will though. And I'll probably have more too (conures, etc.). I am a bird person for sure.

I have been a bird owner longer than an invertebrate owner, in fact.

I just got mine this week and they aren’t tamed. They just tolerate me. Lol
I started a profile on a budgie forum site and did start a page there too. I was told that the blue one, which is the pushiest one, is most definitely female, but the green one, who has to do everything the blue one does, might be a male even though his cere is a bit too light. Going off of what you and The Snark have said, I think I do have a male and female pair. Thank you to you and The Snark, you guys really have helped. Hopefully you can tame your budgie soon and make an in-depth-how-to as to how to tame them. Mine are complete loons. In all seriousness though, thanks!
 

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I just got mine this week and they aren’t tamed. They just tolerate me. Lol
I started a profile on a budgie forum site and did start a page there too. I was told that the blue one, which is the pushiest one, is most definitely female, but the green one, who has to do everything the blue one does, might be a male even though his cere is a bit too light. Going off of what you and The Snark have said, I think I do have a male and female pair. Thank you to you and The Snark, you guys really have helped. Hopefully you can tame your budgie soon and make an in-depth-how-to as to how to tame them. Mine are complete loons. In all seriousness though, thanks!
The ones that I currently have I've had for a while and unless I had a lot of free time to dedicate to it I'm afraid they probably won't be tamed.

Did you make an account at Talk Budgies forum?
 

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Taming them is super easy. Provided you have sloths in your ancestry. Two rules. Slow, slow and slow. Startling the bird blows off hours of contact. And contact. With 1/10th of the attention span and memory of a may fly.... let's just say, patience is a virtue. A hundred very friendly contact hours convincing the bird you are the most wonderful person on earth might get remembered from one day to the next.

The hand in the door trick I remember worked the best for me. Ever so slowly a little at a time, open the cage door and put your hand in until you offer some part of it in front of the birds feet for it to step on. Without the bird feeling uncomfortable about the invasion and leaving it's perch. When it freaks out, back off, give it a few minutes and repeat, going even slower. The whole deal is to never trigger the fright-flight instinct.

And then the rot sets in. A bunch of little kids in a free for all. Scolding them takes as much time as gaining their trust and after all the effort gaining their trust, they won't believe you:
I MUST nibble on your ear. Put it back in it's cage. The moment you sit down it's back on your shoulder nibbling on your ear. Repeat. Repeat. Repeat. You will likely give up and resign yourself to now and forever ear nibbling long before they get the clue.
 
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The ones that I currently have I've had for a while and unless I had a lot of free time to dedicate to it I'm afraid they probably won't be tamed.

Did you make an account at Talk Budgies forum?
Yes, I did. I couldn’t think of what the site was called.
For half-taming, I used a technique that I found on YouTube and it literally only took 10 minutes for them to become accustomed to being held.
 

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Right but like you said there are distinctive characteristics of both sexes in Melopsittacus undulatus (Budgerigar) that differentiate them.

@Hercules Hernandez As a long term Budgie owner myself I can tell you that, regardless of what colors you can or cannot distinguish on the ceres, the behavior will likely reveal the sexes soon enough. Females tend to be noticeably more reserved and coy, whether housed individually or with others. They also tend to be a bit more pushy towards the males (and each other, sometimes a bit too much).

Males, by contrast, basically "flirt" with everything they can, whether it is alive or inanimate. They "bob their heads" all over the place like @The Snark said. It's actually pretty funny to watch.

My male will bob his head and make little "pip pip pip" noises as he inches ever so slightly closer to the female he lives with, until after a several minute endeavor he gets 1 millimeter too close and she whacks at him and he lets out one squawk and ends up on the perch below.

Most humorous, to say the least.

I'm also jealous that yours are already hand tamed. I had one years ago that was hand tamed but not lately. Just haven't had the time to dedicate to it anymore.

Some day I will though. And I'll probably have more too (conures, etc.). I am a bird person for sure.

I have been a bird owner longer than an invertebrate owner, in fact.

I have read but am no expert, that the mirrors can actually deter them from becoming hand friendly because the bird will become attached to the bird in the mirror and that they have no concept that they are looking at themselves. Perhaps taking the mirror away would help?
 

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I have read but am no expert, that the mirrors can actually deter them from becoming hand friendly because the bird will become attached to the bird in the mirror and that they have no concept that they are looking at themselves. Perhaps taking the mirror away would help?
The image I posted is of a solitary bird that I owned many years ago. My current ones do not have mirrors.
 

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The image I posted is of a solitary bird that I owned many years ago. My current ones do not have mirrors.
Mirrors are not a bad influence, I don't know why people think they are. My budgies have three mirrors and are very affectionate. One will fly up my arm and on my shoulder etc
 

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Also, budgies aren't that easy to sex. Blue ceres doesn't mean it is a male and brown cere doesn't mean it is a female. The colours change to their mood occasionally, and it's never that easy anyway.
 

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Mirrors are not a bad influence, I don't know why people think they are. My budgies have three mirrors and are very affectionate. One will fly up my arm and on my shoulder etc
I know that. I was responding to someone else.

The only reason my current birds don't have a mirror is because they broke it. I have always had mirrors in my bird cages.
 

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I know that. I was responding to someone else.

The only reason my current birds don't have a mirror is because they broke it. I have always had mirrors in my bird cages.
Okay, I was just saying that too. Birds break everything lol
 
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