Handling Phoenutria sp
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Sure,
this is P. nigriventer, adult female imho.
Where´s the problem with it?
I hope you have permission to use that pics.
Greetings,
Stefan
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Small friend,
what I have to ask or not is of course not your business.
Check my avatar, check my posts and you´ll recognize why i dare to ask.
Techuser has posted that pictures some time ago in another board and told the according story.
Techuser is a member of this board, too, and if he feels like it i´m pretty sure he will recount it.
Aggressive?
How many Phoneutria spp. have you seen personal and up close? How many have YOU handled to dare to make such statements?
I breed P. keyserlingi, P. nigriventer and P. reidyi.
I have handled P. boliviensis and P. reidyi. - What have YOU done to make any comments about Phoneutria behaviour or characters?
Nothing, my small friend.
In respect of the peace of the community i won´t tell you what i think about guys like you.
Those are "just" spiders. - Living beings that demand respect - like any other living being.
If you respect them and if you are "knowledgeable" you may be able to do "things" with them that other (not knowledgeable) people may take for impossible.
Stay safe.
S.
what I have to ask or not is of course not your business.
Check my avatar, check my posts and you´ll recognize why i dare to ask.
Techuser has posted that pictures some time ago in another board and told the according story.
Techuser is a member of this board, too, and if he feels like it i´m pretty sure he will recount it.
Aggressive?
How many Phoneutria spp. have you seen personal and up close? How many have YOU handled to dare to make such statements?
I breed P. keyserlingi, P. nigriventer and P. reidyi.
I have handled P. boliviensis and P. reidyi. - What have YOU done to make any comments about Phoneutria behaviour or characters?
Nothing, my small friend.
In respect of the peace of the community i won´t tell you what i think about guys like you.
Those are "just" spiders. - Living beings that demand respect - like any other living being.
If you respect them and if you are "knowledgeable" you may be able to do "things" with them that other (not knowledgeable) people may take for impossible.
Stay safe.
S.
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enough said^
wayne
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I was thinking the same about "Big Experts".
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agree
agree,a little harsh with the small friend comment,there big friend??
andy
agree,a little harsh with the small friend comment,there big friend??
andy
Well, you might thinks so about the "big experts"...
Maybe you sould consider the fact that Jdogg could have done a bit reseach on that pic (and the right to use it).
I havn't seent the pic in this thread, but I know exect which pic we are talking about.
With a little research you can figure out what Techuser has to say for him self about his actions with and handling of Phoneutria sp.
Here's the link:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/techuser/sets/72157603167029346/
cosed me about 60 second off search time.
James, there are a lot off people handling their Loxosceles sp.
James, there are a lot off people handling their Buthidae sp.
etc, etc...
And yes, there are people handling "their" Phoneutria sp.
You are surprised about this?
If its smart...
If you have no knowledge about that kind off spiders, it is just ass smart as hooking a naja naja without ever seen the snake before.
But no, I would advice not to handle them, to every one keeping these spider or how encounter them.
But Techuser does, yes.
Iff he thinks ist oke, ist his choise.
But it does shows that Phoneutria are no dumb killers on the loose.
There have bin thousend's of this kind off post's.
All started be people how have done no or little research on it.
post's like these look like fearfactors to do's how dont know Phoneutria sp.
There is no use for that!
Especially when you are trying to keep up the population off Phoneutria sp. in Europe.
Phoneutria allready hass bin given bad name, like this topic shows.
Do they deserve it?
NO!!!
You need to treat them with respect!!!
And yes, am keeping Phoneutria!!!
Maybe you sould consider the fact that Jdogg could have done a bit reseach on that pic (and the right to use it).
I havn't seent the pic in this thread, but I know exect which pic we are talking about.
With a little research you can figure out what Techuser has to say for him self about his actions with and handling of Phoneutria sp.
Here's the link:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/techuser/sets/72157603167029346/
cosed me about 60 second off search time.
James, there are a lot off people handling their Latrodectus sp.
James, there are a lot off people handling their Loxosceles sp.
James, there are a lot off people handling their Buthidae sp.
etc, etc...
And yes, there are people handling "their" Phoneutria sp.
You are surprised about this?
If its smart...
If you have no knowledge about that kind off spiders, it is just ass smart as hooking a naja naja without ever seen the snake before.
But no, I would advice not to handle them, to every one keeping these spider or how encounter them.
But Techuser does, yes.
Iff he thinks ist oke, ist his choise.
But it does shows that Phoneutria are no dumb killers on the loose.
There have bin thousend's of this kind off post's.
All started be people how have done no or little research on it.
post's like these look like fearfactors to do's how dont know Phoneutria sp.
There is no use for that!
Especially when you are trying to keep up the population off Phoneutria sp. in Europe.
Phoneutria allready hass bin given bad name, like this topic shows.
Do they deserve it?
NO!!!
You need to treat them with respect!!!
And yes, am keeping Phoneutria!!!
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To quote the ubiquitous Jack Sparrow: It's all about "what a man can do, and what a man can't do."
If you have the ability to safely handle this, fine. If you don't, then don't--but do NOT assume from your own lack of ability that someone else can't do it. You are assuming, so far, that the risk is identical to all keepers. It is not.
Knowledge gives you an edge. Some people are uncomfortable handling rosies--but that doesn't mean everyone shouldn't. Some people handle Haplos or pokies--and can do so safely. One should never assume the abilities that enable or prohibit this kind of activity are the same with all keepers.
What must be kept in mind is dynamic risk assessment. Each keeper must analyze the safety of an action, relative to their own personal ability. One must be responsible and rational, weighing consequences and risks. If, for a given keeper, their competence reduces the risk to an acceptable level, then for THEM it is safe enough. For someone with less ability, the same action might not be safe.
If you don't feel comfortable with handling your Phoneutria sp., then fine--don't. But don't rail at others who have more ability / experience than you do.
If you have the ability to safely handle this, fine. If you don't, then don't--but do NOT assume from your own lack of ability that someone else can't do it. You are assuming, so far, that the risk is identical to all keepers. It is not.
Knowledge gives you an edge. Some people are uncomfortable handling rosies--but that doesn't mean everyone shouldn't. Some people handle Haplos or pokies--and can do so safely. One should never assume the abilities that enable or prohibit this kind of activity are the same with all keepers.
What must be kept in mind is dynamic risk assessment. Each keeper must analyze the safety of an action, relative to their own personal ability. One must be responsible and rational, weighing consequences and risks. If, for a given keeper, their competence reduces the risk to an acceptable level, then for THEM it is safe enough. For someone with less ability, the same action might not be safe.
If you don't feel comfortable with handling your Phoneutria sp., then fine--don't. But don't rail at others who have more ability / experience than you do.
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still agree
point made but i still agree that the issue could have been addressed in a more appropriate manor.to bash someone for a very logical point of view is ridiculous and would have made me mad as well ,as a keeper of inverts for over 20 years i also agree that posting pics of handling venomous or potentially dangerous species on a public forum is just plain dumb...nothing like a copy cat(with less experience)to give this hobby more of a hassle.
definitely don't like the holier than thou posts.
still not impressed
andy
point made but i still agree that the issue could have been addressed in a more appropriate manor.to bash someone for a very logical point of view is ridiculous and would have made me mad as well ,as a keeper of inverts for over 20 years i also agree that posting pics of handling venomous or potentially dangerous species on a public forum is just plain dumb...nothing like a copy cat(with less experience)to give this hobby more of a hassle.
definitely don't like the holier than thou posts.
still not impressed
andy
Am talking about not advising to...
But I agree with you about its up to you iff you know for your self it to be "save" to do so...
I have no problems with Techuser handling Phoneutria, never had sins I saw those pics...
It just gave me some other insight about Phoneutria.
in a more appropriate manor...
I quess your right on that.
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This has nothing to do with pride and everything to do with the reputation of the spiders in question.
You are just as ignorant as you percieve Stefan because you clearly have no knowledge of Stefan's accomplishments with this species.
As for the personal attack...that really is uncalled for. I could just as easily claim the same about you, only say that your savior complex made it neccessary for you to stick up for every idiot who stumbled across your path.
I think this may be the only time I'll ever say this...but I refer you to Venom's post. He explained it perfectly. I handle Poecilotheria ssp. for photography purposes...and if some hotshot who clearly had no experience with defensive species tried to imitate me, I'd respond with a post similar to Stefan's.
It's not about being knowledgeable and having experience...it's about reputation and saftey.
Des Moines, Iowa is considering lifting the ban on scorpions. If some idiot decides to buy a Leirus quinquestriatus and is found dead after a handling session, what do you think will happen to my invert collection and everything I've worked for in my local area?
It's not a good idea to handle potentially dangerous species, but some people do it. That's about all the response that was needed in this thread.
Look at this quote:
Cool your jets everyone.....all he did was use the word aggressive, a tiny misconception and truly not the worst rumor about spiders....and you all flip out.
Look at this quote:
Come on people! What did he do wrong? All he did was use the word aggressive.... that is it! The responses in this thread are a perfect example of what we should be avoiding and what drives people away. God, I've been here a long time and have seen some serious arguments but this out lash makes even me not want to come back....and this is my favorite part of the forum!
Cool your jets everyone.....all he did was use the word aggressive, a tiny misconception and truly not the worst rumor about spiders....and you all flip out.
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Taking a cliche potshot someone's upbringing is completely relevant to what situation, exactly?
Do I think Stefan's reply was a bit over the top?
Maybe. Probably. Not the way I would have worded it, anyways.
The link between this subject and the scorpion ban is actually quite relevant because the name the game changes when you start dealing with medically signifficant species. One mis-step with some of these species will kill you and the glorification of this type of behavior by those who have no experience with the species in question can be very damaging because they might try to imitate the actions...which could lead to disaster.
Disaster leads to pointless legislation.